2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

They handed out way way way way way way way way way more money to the big banks after the crash of '08. And they're handing the big banks way way way way way way way more money now.

But, let's fixate on one semi-horrible stimulus plan.

So it's ok to waste money on Cash for Clunkers because it's a lot less money than was given to the banks (something I have significant misgivings about, but which is a separate and more complicated issue)? Remember, every once in awhile, we agree, so stop and think before you reflexively attack.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

How's ACORN doing again?

Old Pos, you are a steaming pile of human waste. Why don't you just go back to jerking off over people being killed in Chicago so you can go 'thanks Obama!'

What does ACORN have to do with this? None of the news sources of which you're so dismissive edited tape in a way to make a defendant in a racially charged murder case look bad. But NBC did. CNN also raised the phony issue of the defendant saying the word "coon" in his call to 911. Remember?

As to young blacks (and babies and grand mothers) murdered by other young blacks in Chicago, I'll make the point again, since the Special Ed students in the back weren't paying attention (again). Democrats, especially black Democrats, went to the mattresses over the killing of Trayvon Martin, but collectively seem to have very little, if any, concern for the Beirut-like slaughter on the streets of Chicago. Why? My surmise is that it's because there's no real political upside for Democrats to point out the obvious in Chicago. But plenty of political upside to attempting to turn Trayvon Martin into Emmett Till (money and turnout). Rev. "Skillets" doubtless disagrees, but then, consider the source. And the only pubic notice Neville took of the problem was the murder of Hadiya Pendleton, who had performed as his inauguration. Otherwise, crickets.

I don't hold Neville responsible for the killings in Chicago (or anywhere else), they are a local matter. I do hold him responsible for deliberate race baiting, however. Just like his pal, "Skillets."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt6zqCXwMXA

"life extenuating circumstances" priceless.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

So it's ok to waste money on Cash for Clunkers because it's a lot less money than was given to the banks (something I have significant misgivings about, but which is a separate and more complicated issue)? Remember, every once in awhile, we agree, so stop and think before you reflexively attack.

Fair enough. Let's be like Congress then and concentrate on 5% of the budget while the 95% goes off the rails. No problem.

 

[Foxton]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

What does ACORN have to do with this? Were they a "news" source, reliable or otherwise? None of the news sources of which you're so dismissive edited tape in a way to make a defendant in a racially charged murder case look bad. But NBC did. CNN also raised the phony issue of the defendant saying the word "coon" in his call to 911. Remember?

Was the video used as the stimulus to defund acorn edited? Has this known to be falsely edited video been used endlessly in the years since by those news groups to reinforce their narrative? Did this action directly put hundreds of people out of work?

It'd be impossible to come up with all the times those aforementioned groups have outright lied, then continued to lie for months and years at a time, or gone to court in order to justify their lies.

Your 'yea buts!' are as empty as whatever functions inside that skull enough for you to be able to type a sentence, when compared to the climb up bull**** mountain.

As to young blacks murdered by other young blacks in Chicago, I'll make the point again, since the Special Ed students in the back weren't paying attention (again). Democrats, especially black Democrats, went to the mattresses over the killing of Trayvon Martin, but collectively seem to have very little, if any, concern for the Beirut-like slaughter on the streets of Chicago. Why? My surmise is that it's because there's no real political upside for Democrats to point out the obvious in Chicago. But plenty of political upside to attempting to turn Trayvon Martin into Emmett Till. Rev. "Skillets" doubtless disagrees, but then, consider the source. And the only pubic notice "Neville" took of the problem was the murder of Hadiya Pendleton, who had performed as his inauguration. Otherwise, crickets.

I don't hold Neville responsible for the killings in Chicago (or anywhere else), they are a local matter. I do hold him responsible for deliberate race baiting, however. Just like his pal, "Skillets."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt6zqCXwMXA
"life extenuating circumstances" priceless.

I'll take your advice and consider the source, you're a piece of **** who happily salivates over the deaths of others to try and score cheap political points.

 

[joecct]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

...I'll take your advice and consider the source, you're a piece of **** who happily salivates over the deaths of others to try and score cheap political points.

But isn't that what the MSM and El Presidente did with Mr. Martin?

 

[Foxton]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

But isn't that what the MSM and El Presidente did with Mr. Martin?

He's not spanish he's muslim you toolbox.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

Was the video used as the stimulus to defund acorn edited? Has this known to be falsely edited video been used endlessly in the years since by those news groups to reinforce their narrative? Did this action directly put hundreds of people out of work?

It'd be impossible to come up with all the times those aforementioned groups have outright lied, then continued to lie for months and years at a time, or gone to court in order to justify their lies.

Your 'yea buts!' are as empty as whatever functions inside that skull enough for you to be able to type a sentence, when compared to the climb up bull**** mountain.

I'll take your advice and consider the source, you're a piece of **** who happily salivates over the deaths of others to try and score cheap political points.

The news organizations, including all of the MSM, are responsible for vetting the information they put on the air. And fooling them with tendentiously edited tape (if that's the case) is somewhat different from a network deliberately editing a 911 call to change its meaning. Years ago Newsweek was fooled with the "Hitler Diaries" hoax. But when they paid big money and published the fraudulent "diaries" they assumed responsibility for their veracity. In the same way, those who aired the tapes you claim were fraudulent, assumed the responsibility for them. I realize you're ignorant of how the news business works, but even you should be able to see the difference here. In the former instance it may have been the provider of the tape that did the editing. In the case of NBC, it was the network itself that deliberately edited the tape to make a fraudulent point. I shouldn't have to point out to you that's not "news," but evidently I do.

It's pretty amazing that anyone would shed tears that "hundreds" of cheap crooks working for ACORN lost their jobs. Really touching, but there's always McDonald's or TCBY. You know, honest work. Not predicated on picking the taxpayers' pockets. Or keeping other cheap crooks like JJjr in office.

Actually, the ones "salivating over the deaths of others" are on your side. However, it's just some of the deaths. The much larger category of deaths isn't worth the bother, apparently.

Aren't I the one accused of being "angry?" I'd say based on these recent posts, you're angry enough for both of us. Why not take a moment to wipe the spittle from your chin?

 

[Rover]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

One wonders where Opie's interests were in the Chicago murder rate before Obama was elected? My guess is its less sympathy and more trying to score non-existent political points which says a lot about the character of people who get a kick out of reading about another murder. Funny, I don't recall Reagan being held responsible for what was happening in the Bronx while he was President.

Bottom line is, the more the tired old Whinest Generation dwindles in numbers and influence, the louder they become. Its sad but amusing at the same time! Sorta like watching Karl Rove try to get the election results reversed from his seat on the Fox News set.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

Here's a story and video for all my Republican friends who believe in the myth of widespread voter fraud.

Enjoy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/daily-show-interview-don-yelton-racist-resign-2013-10

 

[geezer]

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The worsening Chicago (etc.) slaughter is one point where I've got to take Pio's side. All the poo-pooing and trying to sweep these things under the rug doesn't do anything for me, when it's clearly a growing problem that should be a main focus of government intervention, if government is to have any use at all. And we get no response. Is it really so hopeless? These are literally children being shot in the streets.
So instead of trying to take on real problems (thanks to you enablers who think they don't matter) we get a government that is putting all its time and energy into controlling the flow of information and dominating more and more sectors of the economy just to line their own pockets. This "defend the economic overlords at any cost" mentality is going to end up costing you everything.

 

[unofan]

The worsening Chicago (etc.) slaughter is one point where I've got to take Pio's side. All the poo-pooing and trying to sweep these things under the rug doesn't do anything for me, when it's clearly a growing problem that should be a main focus of government intervention, if government is to have any use at all. And we get no response. Is it really so hopeless? These are literally children being shot in the streets.
So instead of trying to take on real problems (thanks to you enablers who think they don't matter) we get a government that is putting all its time and energy into controlling the flow of information and dominating more and more sectors of the economy just to line their own pockets. This "defend the economic overlords at any cost" mentality is going to end up costing you everything.

You'll have to pardon my skepticism that believers in "second amendment solutions" really want government intervention into gun-related violence. Their solution to school shootings is to arm teachers and fight against background checks that something like 75% of the population wants.

But now you want me to believe GOP backers want the feds to step into a guns issue and aren't just trying to win political points? Right...

 

[Rover]

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You'll have to pardon my skepticism that believers in "second amendment solutions" really want government intervention into gun-related violence. Their solution to school shootings is to arm teachers and fight against background checks that something like 75% of the population wants.

But now you want me to believe GOP backers want the feds to step into a guns issue and aren't just trying to win political points? Right...

Furthering on this point, beyond national gun control legislation its not the feds responsibility to make the streets of Chicago safe. That responsibility rests ultimately with Rahm Emmanuel now or whoever's the mayor at the time. He's got to get the right people and policies in place to get a handle on the violence or he's got to find a new job.

Two great examples, one involving a Democratic mayor and one a Republican (but ironically the same police chief, Bill Bratton). NYC was a crime riddled cess pool. I didn't visit there in the 70's but I did in the 80's and it was shocking to see as a youngster. Burned out buildings, stripped cars everywhere, 2000+ murders a year. Even into the 90's, when faced with a riot Dem mayor Dinkens response was to let people riot, a ridiculous "plan" if there ever was one. Reminded me of when Mayor Quimby on the Simpsons in the face of a crisis declared Mob Rule: Next 48 Hours Anything Goes.

Guiliani came in and changed the whole culture of the place. Better policing, zero tolerance for crime, etc and guess what? The place became livable again.

Boston had something similar happen. My freshman year 150 people got murdered, an almost record amount and far too much random crime in those totals including one horrific murder on Halloween. There was talk of sending in the national guard to patrol the streets. None of this was needed. What was and what happened was a targeting and crackdown of the 500 or so gangbangers who were committing all the crimes. After wave after wave of arrests, indictments, and convictions the violence ceased, and now the city has one of the lowest crime rates for a major city.

Chicago needs to have its own reckoning. Go block by block and crack the F down on the people committing the crimes with all available means. Get them on drug charges, gun possession, racketeering, etc etc. Whatever it takes to clean up the streets. The first thing any city needs to turn itself around is to get a handle on crime. You can give tax breaks galore all you'd like, but nobody is going to relocate to a place where the chances of getting killed are 50/50 whenever you walk outside.

 

[busterman62]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

You'll have to pardon my skepticism that believers in "second amendment solutions" really want government intervention into gun-related violence. Their solution to school shootings is to arm teachers and fight against background checks that something like 75% of the population wants.

But now you want me to believe GOP backers want the feds to step into a guns issue and aren't just trying to win political points? Right...

I don't claim to speak for OP (Lord knows he can do it for himself) but my take on his postings is this:

The Dems are using school shootings to ban assault rifles when statistically it's a small issue compared to what goes on in Chicago on a daily basis. Obama weighs in and said his son would look like TMartin but seemingly ignores what is going on in his hometown. Why are they directing their effort towards what some argue is a lesser issue than the daily problems in Chicago. Simple. More publicity = scoring more political points!

Now, maybe that's not what OP is saying but if it is, I concur. Priorities have shifted to getting the most face time and one-upping the other party rather than at least attempting to try and fix the real issues. As I've said before, arguing over which party has done more to bring this about is similar to arguing about Hitler or Stalin being a worse scourge to humanity

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

One wonders where Opie's interests were in the Chicago murder rate before Obama was elected? My guess is its less sympathy and more trying to score non-existent political points which says a lot about the character of people who get a kick out of reading about another murder. Funny, I don't recall Reagan being held responsible for what was happening in the Bronx while he was President.

Bottom line is, the more the tired old Whinest Generation dwindles in numbers and influence, the louder they become. Its sad but amusing at the same time! Sorta like watching Karl Rove try to get the election results reversed from his seat on the Fox News set.

Actually, I can date my concern about my home town and its violent malefactors. It came on the day the Johnson administration awarded a million dollar anti-poverty grant to the Blackstone Rangers.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

Actually, I can date my concern about my home town and its violent malefactors. It came on the day the Johnson administration awarded a million dollar anti-poverty grant to the Blackstone Rangers.

Didn't Johnson leave the WH in Jan of 1969? I'm going to guess that the problems plaguing the city today have little to do with the tragic act you write about.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

Here's a story and video for all my Republican friends who believe in the myth of widespread voter fraud.

Enjoy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/daily-show-interview-don-yelton-racist-resign-2013-10

That settles it: Republicans are racists. Democrats hate AmericaJews are cheap. Irish are drunks. Mexicans are lazy. Blacks are criminals.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

Didn't Johnson leave the WH in Jan of 1969? I'm going to guess that the problems plaguing the city today have little to do with the tragic act you write about.

Obviously reading comprehension is a problem for you. You and the rest of the chorale just don't have it in your DNA to believe a white guy might be concerned about the senseless slaughter in the streets of his home town. Much better that black "civil rights" leaders remain essentially silent about it, while having conniption fits about one tragic incident in Florida where a white guy killed a black kid. That they notice.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

Furthering on this point, beyond national gun control legislation its not the feds responsibility to make the streets of Chicago safe. That responsibility rests ultimately with Rahm Emmanuel now or whoever's the mayor at the time. He's got to get the right people and policies in place to get a handle on the violence or he's got to find a new job.

Two great examples, one involving a Democratic mayor and one a Republican (but ironically the same police chief, Bill Bratton). NYC was a crime riddled cess pool. I didn't visit there in the 70's but I did in the 80's and it was shocking to see as a youngster. Burned out buildings, stripped cars everywhere, 2000+ murders a year. Even into the 90's, when faced with a riot Dem mayor Dinkens response was to let people riot, a ridiculous "plan" if there ever was one. Reminded me of when Mayor Quimby on the Simpsons in the face of a crisis declared Mob Rule: Next 48 Hours Anything Goes.

Guiliani came in and changed the whole culture of the place. Better policing, zero tolerance for crime, etc and guess what? The place became livable again.

Boston had something similar happen. My freshman year 150 people got murdered, an almost record amount and far too much random crime in those totals including one horrific murder on Halloween. There was talk of sending in the national guard to patrol the streets. None of this was needed. What was and what happened was a targeting and crackdown of the 500 or so gangbangers who were committing all the crimes. After wave after wave of arrests, indictments, and convictions the violence ceased, and now the city has one of the lowest crime rates for a major city.

Chicago needs to have its own reckoning. Go block by block and crack the F down on the people committing the crimes with all available means. Get them on drug charges, gun possession, racketeering, etc etc. Whatever it takes to clean up the streets. The first thing any city needs to turn itself around is to get a handle on crime. You can give tax breaks galore all you'd like, but nobody is going to relocate to a place where the chances of getting killed are 50/50 whenever you walk outside.

New York is preparing to undo the monumental improvements made in fighting crime by electing a Sandanista mayor. Enjoy. The thousands of lives saved are, of course, way disproportionately minority.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

That settles it: Republicans are racists. Democrats hate AmericaJews are cheap. Irish are drunks. Mexicans are lazy. Blacks are criminals.

Thanks, you stopped mentioning non-existent voter fraud which was the whole point of my post.

 

[aparch]

Obviously reading comprehension is a problem for you. You and the rest of the chorale just don't have it in your DNA to believe a white guy might be concerned about the senseless slaughter in the streets of his home town. Much better that black "civil rights" leaders remain essentially silent about it, while having conniption fits about one tragic incident in Florida where a white guy killed a black kid. That they notice.

But Jesse is the spokesman for them! So much so that his kid was elected on name only, and not because of his politics (or lack there of).

Any change needs to come from within. But it's going to take a couple generations of improvements to fix it.


But, the other problem with Chicago is the west side of the city limits. Damen to Cicero from the Eisenhowser to North Ave. It's getting to the same level of crime I heard the south side was at, and the South side is actually improving.