2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

[unofan]

So there's language in there essentially implementing the "raise the debt ceiling by presidential veto" of a congressional vote against doing so.

I can't tell if it would allow Obama and future president to essentially ignore the debt ceiling in perpetuity or if its limited til February 7, though.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Well at least this is over for now.

 

[Priceless]

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A list of what the Teapublicans demanded and what the got from the shutdown.

Hope it was worth it.

 

[joecct]

A list of what the Teapublicans demanded and what the got from the shutdown.

Hope it was worth it.

The GOP went to war against the Emperor and lost. They need a better general and general staff.

 

[Twitch Boy]

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Boner's Facebook page is comedy gold right now.

 

[MattS]

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You have less than a 10% chance of being defeated in either the primary or the general. You think anyone in Congress is worried? Of the 430 or so seats in the House, how many are considered swing seats?

The best estimates I have read about say its about 90 seats that are realistically in play.

 

[Rover]

Nope.

Well done sir! I guess he didn't read far enough down.

Expanding on my point, the idea of iron clad GOP districts is a temporary one. Even beyond the notion of all those Reps in districts that went Romney by single digits, the main reason that the GOP got to rewrite the boundaries is because of their ability to take over some Dem states (VA, OH, MI, WI). The problem is that if your party brand is so damaged, that GOP control will most likely suffer during the next election. At that point, the Democrats need not do their own mid-decade redistricting. All they need do is allow a initiative petition on the ballot to set up an independent commission to redraw the lines. Not only would that undo a favorable GOP set-up, it also gives the aura of a good govt effort to take the partisanship out of the process. I'd recommend Illinois Republicans try the same thing.

Start unwinding these districts and the so called House Republican Lock on the Majority goes away real quick.

 

[SJHovey]

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The final vote in the House was 285-144.
All 198 Democrats voted for the bill. 87 Republicans joined them.
144 Teapublicans in the House and 18 in the Senate voted for a continued government shutdown and economic Armageddon.

Be sure to thank a Democrat for the fact that the government is open and we didn't default on the our bills. If it was up to the Republicans, we'd still be shuttered and the meltdown would start in 90 minutes.

Wait?... What? You mean somebody just said "I vote we don't have a problem any more" and the problem went away???!?!?

 

[aparch]

Boner's Facebook page is comedy gold right now.

Curiosity got the best of me. Had to look it up. Amazing the spectrum that he received in comments from just one post of his I read.

It ranged from "Here, I'll hold this chair steady *wink* while you go change this light bulb with a rope around your neck," to "I was a Republican, this made me realize I'm not."

Psycologists could have a field day with his page alone.

 

[Priceless]

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Howard Dean raised a very good point last night on MSNBC. Funding continued, but at sequestration levels. Most Democrats in the House wanted to vote it down to get funding back to levels before sequestration but *gasp* put the country ahead of what they wanted and unanimously voted for the bill. For every vote since 2011, when Pelosi has said she would deliver X number of votes for a bill, she has delivered X+ whereas 2/3 of Boehner's caucus would choose Tim Horton's for breakfast if Boehner suggested Dunkin' Donuts.

 

[Rover]

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I think we can now divide Republicans into two categories: 1) People who are nuts (aka Teabaggers, Cruzettes, neo-cons, etc), 2) People who aren't (traditional conservatives, Reaganites, etc).

For those of you who aren't nuts, generally the righties out here, I fear you're "rooting for laundry", as in you reflexively vote Republican in the hopes that Reagan-like principles will re-assert themselves someday. People, that ain't happening. You have to consider who exactly they're electing nowadays, and its lunatics almost to a person. What you need ironically is the same thing we on the left want, which is the total destruction of the Republican party, so it can build itself back up again. Ted Cruz will most likely be your nominee in 2016, and if not him then Rand Paul. Chris Christie will not be riding in to save you.

Its okay, you can come back if they get better people. Right now though, all the good people are 90+ years old or long gone.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Howard Dean raised a very good point last night on MSNBC. Funding continued, but at sequestration levels. Most Democrats in the House wanted to vote it down to get funding back to levels before sequestration but *gasp* put the country ahead of what they wanted and unanimously voted for the bill. For every vote since 2011, when Pelosi has said she would deliver X number of votes for a bill, she has delivered X+ whereas 2/3 of Boehner's caucus would choose Tim Horton's for breakfast if Boehner suggested Dunkin' Donuts.

Pelosi is in charge of the House, that's why. Every time the nutjobs in the House would propose something Nancy made sure it got zero support from any Democrat. Boner and his colleagues are so arrogant they think they can pass their crazy crap without any Democratic support, and they can't.

And from numerous reports you have the women in the Senate to thank for the bill that opened the government and prevented default. It was a factor I missed in my predication of certain default.

 

[Priceless]

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Pelosi is in charge of the House, that's why. Every time the nutjobs in the House would propose something Nancy made sure it got zero support from any Democrat. Boner and his colleagues are so arrogant they think they can pass their crazy crap without any Democratic support, and they can't.

And from numerous reports you have the women in the Senate to thank for the bill that opened the government and prevented default. It was a factor I missed in my predication of certain default.

One person who really improved her position is Kelly Ayotte (R-NH). I got a message from a Democrat in Dover who said Ayotte may have earned his vote with this. Her first good step was forgoing her salary during the shutdown when many of her colleagues were (very publicly) accepting theirs. She and Maine's Susan Collins were instrumental in getting a deal done that reopened government. For me, it isn't enough to overcome her bait and switch on background checks, but it may have secured her re-election. In this case, I'm very impressed by what she did.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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One person who really improved her position is Kelly Ayotte (R-NH). I got a message from a Democrat in Dover who said Ayotte may have earned his vote with this. Her first good step was forgoing her salary during the shutdown when many of her colleagues were (very publicly) accepting theirs. She and Maine's Susan Collins were instrumental in getting a deal done that reopened government. For me, it isn't enough to overcome her bait and switch on background checks, but it may have secured her re-election. In this case, I'm very impressed by what she did.

I wouldn't vote for her but I'm not surprised she may get reelected. I find the irony of Cruz chanting "Listen to the American People" and the lack of a background check bill interesting. I hope the Democrats in the Senate use that as a club with Mr. Cruz the rest of his short time there. As of now the Houston paper who endorsed Cruz for election has pulled their support an admitted they made a grievous error.

 

[DisplacedCornellian]

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I wouldn't vote for her but I'm not surprised she may get reelected. I find the irony of Cruz chanting "Listen to the American People" and the lack of a background check bill interesting. I hope the Democrats in the Senate use that as a club with Mr. Cruz the rest of his short time there. As of now the Houston paper who endorsed Cruz for election has pulled their support an admitted they made a grievous error.

At this point it seems like Cruz is using his term as an audition for a spot on Fox and Friends. I wonder which pays better.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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At this point it seems like Cruz is using his term as an audition for a spot on Fox and Friends. I wonder which pays better.

There's no question he'll be a very rich man. Some men like some sort of legacy when they enter public office and he won't have one. If he was smart and doesn't give a hoot about things like that then more power to him I guess. The ones I feel sorry for are the ones that followed the ********. What a mindless bunch of zombies they must be.

And here's what people should be furious about.

Standard & Poor's estimated the shutdown has taken $24 billion out of the economy, and the Fitch credit rating agency warned Tuesday that it was reviewing its AAA rating on U.S. government debt for a possible downgrade.

And there's more.

Talk about the dollar's diminishing role as reserve currency has been doing the rounds for several years. Analysts have pointed to other global currencies like the Swiss franc, the Japanese yen and the Chinese yuan as potential contenders for the role. Analysts have previously indicated to CNBC if the dollar loses status as the world's most reliable currency, the United States will lose the right to print money to pay its debt and could be forced to pay this debt.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101120085?__source=xfinity|mod&par=xfinity

Good job, Congressional morons.

 

[burd]

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You have to wonder how the Dems will do if and when the Reps get their shat together. They keep hanging one curveball after another.

 

[Rover]

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A couple of points:

1) People on CNBC are morons. The US will not lose its place as world's reserve currency because of the problems of all the others. The Euro? Umm...no. The Yen? Yes, a country mired in a 20+ year recession is going to become the world's currency. The Yuan? Yup, lets have the world's reserve currency be manipulated at will by unelected dictators who have overstated their GDP by an estimated 1 trillion dollars. I mean, where do they find these idiots?

2) Speaking of idiots, Kelly Ayotte needs to start sending resumes to K street, because she's sh !t out of luck next election. Great that she did a token gesture while voting with McConell 100% of the time, but Itch ain't going to save her in 2016. Going up in a Hillary Clinton Presidential year, Ayotte will face the same dilemna that Scotty Brown did, which is in a state that the Dems will win by double digits she's going to need almost 20% of Clinton voters to turn around and vote for her. Good luck with that Kelly.

 

[Twitch Boy]

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One person who really improved her position is Kelly Ayotte (R-NH). I got a message from a Democrat in Dover who said Ayotte may have earned his vote with this. Her first good step was forgoing her salary during the shutdown when many of her colleagues were (very publicly) accepting theirs. She and Maine's Susan Collins were instrumental in getting a deal done that reopened government. For me, it isn't enough to overcome her bait and switch on background checks, but it may have secured her re-election. In this case, I'm very impressed by what she did.

I'll put in a good word for Lisa Murkowski, R-AK. She got primaried in 2010 by a Palin-backed Tea Partier named Joe Miller. The entire state then discovered Miller was full-on bat guano (he was involved with a surplus store that may or may not have had militia ties and had basically his own mercenary force.) As a result, Murkowski ran a write-in campaign at the eleventh hour (very tough to do, considering there are parts of the bush that are borderline illiterate - a good portion of the campaign revolved around teaching people to spell her name properly because the Teabaggers would be gunning to throw out votes for any reason they could.) She won the general handily. Very smart, coming around on social issues, fiscally disciplined and knows what's good for Alaska.

AK may be as conservative as they come, but it knows when someone's giving them the business.

 

[Tiggsy]

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Pelosi is in charge of the House, that's why. Every time the nutjobs in the House would propose something Nancy made sure it got zero support from any Democrat. Boner and his colleagues are so arrogant they think they can pass their crazy crap without any Democratic support, and they can't.

And from numerous reports you have the women in the Senate to thank for the bill that opened the government and prevented default. It was a factor I missed in my predication of certain default.

So what was supposed to happen during "certain default." The country just magically runs out of money? Where does all the taxes that I pay go? How long does it take to get into the federal system and actually use that money? Not long I imagine so how can we default because we have to use the money we have instead of borrowing. It should force a hard look at some very harsh cuts but I would hope the govt could prioirtize. Then again, that may be giving them too much credit to figure out.