2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

[Kepler]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

Israel launches only if its existence is on the verge of ending. And just to REALLY go out in a blaze of glory, target Mecca.

They could as easily self-nuke Jerusalem. It's a Muslim holy city as well.

In fact, if I'm China I'm thinking, listen you crazy round-eyes...

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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And what's to say Iran won't be #2?

Tehran will likely be plate glass within 24 hours if they do.

 

[Kepler]

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Tehran will likely be plate glass within 24 hours if they do.

And Tehran has the population of New York City (albeit fewer Iranian cabbies), which is why Iran* isn't going to use nukes. It's pretty clear they want them to make the US think twice about about an invasion the next time the orcs take power. I'd be worried too.

* there are definitely Iranians, however, who would want to nuke Tel Aviv. The same kind of scum who show up on late night American TV talking about the End Times. The difference is in Iran some of those people have real power. In the US, they won't until Alabama gets the bomb.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Tehran will likely be plate glass within 24 hours if they do.

24 hours? lol

I would have figured two hours to confirm and reverify the source. An hour to brief the PotUS. Two hours to brief the rest of the world. About 10 minutes to turn the keys. 10 minutes till the bright white flash.

 

[Kepler]

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24 hours? lol

I would have figured two hours to confirm and reverify the source. An hour to brief the PotUS. Two hours to brief the rest of the world. About 10 minutes to turn the keys. 10 minutes till the bright white flash.

POTUS has nothing to do with it.

The only way the US will ever use strategic nuclear weapons is (1) a US city is nuked or (2) a lunatic millenialist becomes president, and even then the generals would probably have him quietly neutralized.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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POTUS has nothing to do with it.

I loled

 

[Bob Gray]

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And the negative rep rolls in from those who can't tolerate alternate viewpoints, or identify themselves.

 

[joecct]

24 hours? lol

I would have figured two hours to confirm and reverify the source. An hour to brief the PotUS. Two hours to brief the rest of the world. About 10 minutes to turn the keys. 10 minutes till the bright white flash.

Does it become a turf war between the Navy and Air Force as to who does the nuking?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Does it become a turf war between the Navy and Air Force as to who does the nuking?

Navy gets a college hockey team, and they duke it out there.

 

[Slap Shot]

There is no treaty - yet. There is a framework for a treaty. Or is it a framework for an agreement for a treaty?

If John Kerry holds up a piece of paper containing the framework, shoot him.

So lets see what the treaty holds before we castigate the Senate. Assuming there will be a treaty.

You can find specific details in about 10 seconds if you stop listening to Fox Opinion Channel.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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There is no treaty - yet. There is a framework for a treaty. Or is it a framework for an agreement for a treaty?

If John Kerry holds up a piece of paper containing the framework, shoot him.

So lets see what the treaty holds before we castigate the Senate. Assuming there will be a treaty.

Odumbo wants to executive order it and go right to the UN while bypassing the Senate.

 

[joecct]

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You can find specific details in about 10 seconds if you stop listening to Fox Opinion Channel.

I didn't. Been watching hockey at night and reading the WaPo and Globe in the AM.

But what is binding on any of the parties? This seems like asking a Kennedy to stop chasing skirts after you've caught him in bed with your sister. Not going to happen.

 

[Slap Shot]

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No it's not like that even as much as you want it be. When the GOP stops trying to force feed lies onto Americans this country will finaly move forward.

 

[unofan]

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This seems like asking a Kennedy to stop chasing skirts after you've caught him in bed with your sister. Not going to happen.

Just like it seems like the debt ceiling is about spending rather than paying for what we've already bought, perception does not always equal reality.

 

[Rover]

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Sanctions aren't lifted, they're suspended. Iran doesn't comply and they come back in full force.

Furthermore, sanctions on Iran are only as strong as the rest of the world agrees to go along with the US. We've haven't done business with Iran for 35 years. Its only when Obama got other countries to join in did the sanctions really start to bite. My view is, if the Iranians are going to allow unfettered inspections, we're good to go unless they backtrack on that obligation, which is going to be pretty easy to figure out. In the meantime, for those who want to outsource foreign policy to Israel, there's nothing stopping Netanyahu from bombing Iran on his own, with his own military..

 

[Kepler]

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with his own military.

Which is ours anyway, since we supplied it, our taxpayers paid for it, and what tech we didn't give them the Israelis stole from us anyway.

Great ally.

 

[5mn_Major]

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So the minister of the Czech Republic is going to Moscow to be at a military parade...and Greece is reaching out to Russia for improved relations. This hinders the rest of the continents response against Russia. There has always been discussion of the 'problematic' independence of European states which makes the EU, we'll just say, difficult to manage.

On the flip side, people in the US opine for much increased states rights. Now I know this doesn't extend to foreign policy...but isn't there a risk that (just as with our inability to sometimes act because we're frozen by politics) that we also become frozen because of statehood conflicts? Don't get me wrong, I think the status quo is fine...but isn't this area of the European experiment an argument against a massive move towards states rights?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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So the minister of the Czech Republic is going to Moscow to be at a military parade...and Greece is reaching out to Russia for improved relations. This hinders the rest of the continents response against Russia. There has always been discussion of the 'problematic' independence of European states which makes the EU, we'll just say, difficult to manage.

On the flip side, people in the US opine for much increased states rights. Now I know this doesn't extend to foreign policy...but isn't there a risk that (just as with our inability to sometimes act because we're frozen by politics) that we also become frozen because of statehood conflicts? Don't get me wrong, I think the status quo is fine...but isn't this area of the European experiment an argument against a massive move towards states rights?

...and the cycle begins all over again. One of the grievances the Founding Fathers had was the ineffiencies associated with a large central government and the resulting oppression. I understand that you're trying to indirectly cite the issues America had when it was under the Articles of Confederation, but trading one extreme for another isn't going to work, as history has clearly proved. Any issues that are going on with states' rights domestically are with things not declared within the Constitution.

 

[Kepler]

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...and the cycle begins all over again. One of the grievances the Founding Fathers had was the ineffiencies associated with a large central government and the resulting oppression.

I don't think this is true. The FF were worried about tyranny and non-responsiveness, but they weren't worried about the size of the federal government. That's a 20th century narrative.

Remember too that the Federalists argued for a national government to guard against the predations of local factions which otherwise would be oppressive by their domination of state and local governments. One of the selling points in the Federalist Papers is that a federal structure would cause the locally strong faction leaders in geographical and economic factions to check each other, thus serving the interests of the nation as a whole.

 

[unofan]

I don't think this is true. The FF were worried about tyranny and non-responsiveness, but they weren't worried about the size of the federal government. That's a 20th century narrative.

Remember too that the Federalists argued for a national government to guard against the predations of local factions which otherwise would be oppressive by their domination of state and local governments. One of the selling points in the Federalist Papers is that a federal structure would cause the locally strong faction leaders in geographical and economic factions to check each other, thus serving the interests of the nation as a whole.

Not to mention the constitution is clearly meant to create a stronger central government in the wake of the disaster that was the articles of confederation. The founding fathers wanted checks on that, but they understood its necessity.