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2nd Term Part 5: Big Brotha

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http://www.theatlantic.com/business...d-about-the-government-shutdown-today/280174/

The saddest paragraph you'll read about the government shutdown today. Originally published in the Wall Street Journal:

At the National Institutes of Health, nearly three-quarters of the staff was furloughed. One result: director Francis Collins said about 200 patients who otherwise would be admitted to the NIH Clinical Center into clinical trials each week will be turned away. This includes about 30 children, most of them cancer patients, he said.
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Republicans suck. Not just the tea-baggin' ones with the semi-insane gleam in their eyes, but also, and maybe even more so, the ones who are afraid to stand up to them. Cowards.

I realize they're worried about getting primaried, but what's the point of even being a representative if you're impotent?

I won't even mention doing what's right, coz that would be asking too much. Principled stands are only taken by the extremes these days, not the meek middle.
 
Gurtholfin said:
Republicans suck. Not just the tea-baggin' ones with the semi-insane gleam in their eyes, but also, and maybe even more so, the ones who are afraid to stand up to them. Cowards.

I realize they're worried about getting primaried, but what's the point of even being a representative if you're impotent?

I won't even mention doing what's right, coz that would be asking too much. Principled stands are only taken by the extremes these days, not the meek middle.
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I agree. A lot of conservatives want to say that the Teabaggers don't represent them or conservatism in general. My question them is in light of recent developments do you still believe that? Ted Cruz is running the House. If John Boehner can't stand up to him he ought to lose his d@mn job.
 
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Rover said:
I agree. A lot of conservatives want to say that the Teabaggers don't represent them or conservatism in general. My question them is in light of recent developments do you still believe that? Ted Cruz is running the House. If John Boehner can't stand up to him he ought to lose his d@mn job.
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I agree. But I think that the downside to Boehner loosing his job is that Cantor will take over and I think he would be worse.
 
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MattS said:
I agree. But I think that the downside to Boehner loosing his job is that Cantor will take over and I think he would be worse.
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With Boehner, you at least get the sense that he's a fish out of water who wishes the Tea Party would go away. Cantor, on the other hand, has that "charming, smug, evil genius" vibe oozing from every pore.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
With Boehner, you at least get the sense that he's a fish out of water who wishes the Tea Party would go away. Cantor, on the other hand, has that "charming, smug, evil genius" vibe oozing from every pore.
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You mean he's a Republican Obama?
 
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Rover said:
I agree. A lot of conservatives want to say that the Teabaggers don't represent them or conservatism in general. My question them is in light of recent developments do you still believe that? Ted Cruz is running the House. If John Boehner can't stand up to him he ought to lose his d@mn job.
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If, as the GOTP claims, Obama always refuses to negotiate with them, then how come a year ago re the debt ceiling debate, Boehner told CBS "When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy." He also told CBS that Obama had bargained in good faith.
 
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Bob Gray said:
So we keep paying Congress and the President and really a good chunk of the overall federal government keeping doing their thing, but these guys get shut down? That doesn't make much sense.
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Non-essential.

What did you think was going to happen when a handful of nutjobs held the economy hostage trying to rid us of the insidious program known as <s>Romney</s>ObamaCare?
 
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Rogie21 said:
If, as the GOTP claims, Obama always refuses to negotiate with them, then how come a year ago re the debt ceiling debate, Boehner told CBS "When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy." He also told CBS that Obama had bargained in good faith.
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Exactly. It's the Repubs who don't negotiate. Don't let anyone tell you any different cause they'd be either lying or delusional.
 
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I've seen it written that this is now solely about Boner keeping his job. Somehow (and I don't know the House rules) the 30 or so teapartiers can bring down his Speakership if they force a vote. I'm not sure how exactly this would work, but I'm guessing if he failed to win the 217 votes he needs (I believe its a majority vote position) he'd be forced to resign.

I think in that case Cantor goes with him and Paul Ryan becomes Speaker.

Regarding how this ends, I can see it stretching to the debt limit in two weeks, at which point Peter King rounds up the two dozen people he needs to side with the Dems on a discharge petition. Boner can say he got backstabbed but couldn't stop it, but the debt/shutdown crisis ends just the same.
 
Rover said:
I've seen it written that this is now solely about Boner keeping his job. Somehow (and I don't know the House rules) the 30 or so teapartiers can bring down his Speakership if they force a vote. I'm not sure how exactly this would work...
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If the tea party broke ranks, Pelosi would suddenly have more votes than any other candidate, unless the moderates join the tea parties. Alternatively, Boehner would keep his speakership, but only with dem votes, making him essentially a powerless figurehead of a coalition house as a GOP speaker beholden to democratic votes.
 
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Rover said:
Boner can say he got backstabbed but couldn't stop it, but the debt/shutdown crisis ends just the same.
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Look, I feel bad for the innocent federal workers who have their lives disrupted by furloughs and lost paychecks. But these things are about as much a "crisis" as the living arrangements of the Kardashians. It's political theater (and not very entertaining political theater at that).
 
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SJHovey said:
Look, I feel bad for the innocent federal workers who have their lives disrupted by furloughs and lost paychecks. But these things are about as much a "crisis" as the living arrangements of the Kardashians.
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Tell that to the ship builder at Portsmouth Naval Ship Yard who is without a job as of yesterday.
 
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Priceless said:
Tell that to the ship builder at Portsmouth Naval Ship Yard who is without a job as of yesterday.
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Or the cancer patients who may be down to their last chance with the clinical trials.


For some people, this little political theater is disastrous.
 
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Without venturing a guess as to how painful it will be, I don't buy that a govt shutdown is all theatre. There's some effect to having people not working and offices shut down. Were there not one party or the other would be shutting down the govt on a regular basis to try and get what they want.
 
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