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2nd Term Part 5: Big Brotha

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FlagDUDE08 said:
You're missing the point. Many cops abuse their power to intimidate the public into breaking asinine laws.
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And 98+% make your life safer everyday.

The job can be an absolute mess, the stuff they deal with can desensitize them and there are clearly some who don't have the capacity to handle the power they yield. But, as a whole, they are the people that risk getting killed every day, are willing to try to save accident victims, often show tremendous compassion and restraint etc.

Totally disagree with you on this point...and I don't see how they intimidate people into breaking laws.

I understand a beef about harassment, or wrongful arrest etc. but intimidation into breaking laws? How does that work?
 
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pirate said:
And 98+% make your life safer everyday.

The job can be an absolute mess, the stuff they deal with can desensitize them and there are clearly some who don't have the capacity to handle the power they yield. But, as a whole, they are the people that risk getting killed every day, are willing to try to save accident victims, often show tremendous compassion and restraint etc.

Totally disagree with you on this point...and I don't see how they intimidate people into breaking laws.

I understand a beef about harassment, or wrongful arrest etc. but intimidation into breaking laws? How does that work?
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When you get harassment and wrongful arrest, if you're going to be arrested for not doing something, you might as well do it to deserve what's coming to you anyway.

And it's because of that 2% that we have to make sure to approach them as if we're dealing with the 2%.
 
pirate said:
And 98+% make your life safer everyday.

The job can be an absolute mess, the stuff they deal with can desensitize them and there are clearly some who don't have the capacity to handle the power they yield. But, as a whole, they are the people that risk getting killed every day, are willing to try to save accident victims, often show tremendous compassion and restraint etc.

Totally disagree with you on this point...and I don't see how they intimidate people into breaking laws.

I understand a beef about harassment, or wrongful arrest etc. but intimidation into breaking laws? How does that work?
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Without seeing his posts, my blind guess is Flaggy got busted for soliciting an undercover and blames them for his choices.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
When you get harassment and wrongful arrest, if you're going to be arrested for not doing something, you might as well do it to deserve what's coming to you anyway.

And it's because of that 2% that we have to make sure to approach them as if we're dealing with the 2%.
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Uh, who is 'we'?

This ain't France.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
When you get harassment and wrongful arrest, if you're going to be arrested for not doing something, you might as well do it to deserve what's coming to you anyway.

And it's because of that 2% that we have to make sure to approach them as if we're dealing with the 2%.
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Although I don't agree with your point...

But first, remember the nature of laws (good and bad) are not the realm of the police...that's the legislature. Then it comes down to the need for laws to be enforced and society to be secure.

Assuming my above statement is true, law enforcement is a very challenging endeavor because unlike posting on the internet...its not 'fun' and in fact psychologically very difficult (much like the military). Unfortunately many don't want to be part of the police (not surprisingly)...and the organization needs to take those who want to be part of it. So what do we do? Pay them more to attract a higher quality of cop? Afterall just like any other type of employment, its supply and demand. Yet that doesn't seem to be a popular approach among fiscal conservative.

How do we do it better?
 
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5mn_Major said:
Although I don't agree with your point...

But first, remember the nature of laws (good and bad) are not the realm of the police...that's the legislature. Then it comes down to the need for laws to be enforced and society to be secure.

Assuming my above statement is true, law enforcement is a very challenging endeavor because unlike posting on the internet...its not 'fun' and in fact psychologically very difficult (much like the military). Unfortunately many don't want to be part of the police (not surprisingly)...and the organization needs to take those who want to be part of it. So what do we do? Pay them more to attract a higher quality of cop? Afterall just like any other type of employment, its supply and demand. Yet that doesn't seem to be a popular approach among fiscal conservative.

How do we do it better?
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It's psychologically difficult for someone who grew up as a bully in school to complete that through the rest of their life?
 
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Moving on, the immigration debacle with the GOP fascinates me.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...les-with-immigration-reform-consequences?lite

Putting aside the Dems for a minute as they have little to do with this now that the Senate has passed a relatively bipartisan bill, the struggle for the soul of the Republican party is unlike anything I've ever seen in my lifetime (I missed the Ford-Reagan battle in '76 and wasn't born yet while the '68 Dem convention was going on).

Now that the military wing of the GOP has been relegated to the back of the bus, its a battle between Tea Partiers and Chamber of Commerce types (think Romney, McCain, the Bushes, Cheney, Rove, etc). What the Chamber people don't seem to realize is that the Teaparty people would still rather lose than compromise on even 1% of what they want. Parties always have a few outliers in them but generally they aren't the majority of the caucus. Frankly I have no idea how this will play out, but its increasingly possible or even probable that nothing gets out of the House. Or The Boner passes legislation with 20 Republican supporters and 200 Dems and then announces his retirement. Already Rubio's name is Mudd over this issue. Curious if any other scalps get collected before this is over.
 
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Rover said:
Moving on, the immigration debacle with the GOP fascinates me.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...les-with-immigration-reform-consequences?lite

Putting aside the Dems for a minute as they have little to do with this now that the Senate has passed a relatively bipartisan bill, the struggle for the soul of the Republican party is unlike anything I've ever seen in my lifetime (I missed the Ford-Reagan battle in '76 and wasn't born yet while the '68 Dem convention was going on).

Now that the military wing of the GOP has been relegated to the back of the bus, its a battle between Tea Partiers and Chamber of Commerce types (think Romney, McCain, the Bushes, Cheney, Rove, etc). What the Chamber people don't seem to realize is that the Teaparty people would still rather lose than compromise on even 1% of what they want. Parties always have a few outliers in them but generally they aren't the majority of the caucus. Frankly I have no idea how this will play out, but its increasingly possible or even probable that nothing gets out of the House. Or The Boner passes legislation with 20 Republican supporters and 200 Dems and then announces his retirement. Already Rubio's name is Mudd over this issue. Curious if any other scalps get collected before this is over.
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If you were going to approve a bill that will add up to 30 million (purportedly) votes for the opposition party, you'd be crucified by the base, too.

Meanwhile, a wonderful article in today's Washington Post on the aging Congress.. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/07/08/congress-is-really-really-old/?hpid=z9
 
joecct said:
If you were going to approve a bill that will add up to 30 million (purportedly) votes for the opposition party, you'd be crucified by the base, too.

Meanwhile, a wonderful article in today's Washington Post on the aging Congress.. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/07/08/congress-is-really-really-old/?hpid=z9
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As I'm not nor do I know any illegal immigrants I don't have a dog in this fight. However I don't think its that dire. None of the seasonal workers would be granted voting rights and the 11M already here can't become citizens for the better part of two decades. The base might want to work on broadening its appeal. Or not. Either way works for me. ;)
 
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Rover said:
As I'm not nor do I know any illegal immigrants I don't have a dog in this fight. However I don't think its that dire. None of the seasonal workers would be granted voting rights and the 11M already here can't become citizens for the better part of two decades. The base might want to work on broadening its appeal. Or not. Either way works for me. ;)
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They still vote already, though. 130% turnout in Ohio counties that went blue. Coincidence? I think not.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
They still vote already, though. 130% turnout in Ohio counties that went blue. Coincidence? I think not.
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Kerry won the male vote and the female vote in Ohio. Bush still won the state. Coincidence? Or did the key hermaphrodite vote carry the day for GWB?
 
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