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2nd Term Part 5: Big Brotha

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Actually, I'm surprised it isn't already on the books and enforced. If you register to vote somewhere, that somewhere is where you call "home". In order to be a dependent, your "home" must be where those whom you depend upon are located.

Right, because financial dependence applies only to your domicile.
 
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Right, because financial dependence applies only to your domicile.

If you can afford to live somewhere else and consider it permanent residence, because that's what you use for your voting: your PERMANENT ADDRESS, you're obviously not a dependent.
 
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If it weren't for the backdoor tax increase ("funny" that a Republican would back such a thing), I wouldn't be opposed to this. I had no difficulty getting an absentee ballot in 2006 and 2008 (and I voted for Obama in 2008). If you want to vote, you technically should be counted in the district/precinct of your permanent resident address. Those vehicles that drive around registering students locally could instead educate students how to register in their home district and request a ballot in the mail. I actually found that I took more time to think about who I voted for with the absentee ballot, since I had some time before I mailed it in.
 
Your first sentence has nothing to do with what I posted. Do you want to attribute my comment to the sinking of the Titanic, wildfires in the west and Justin Bieber too? Try to keep in in the fairway.

You had no trouble changing the topic from interest rates to another, "you're jealous of those more successful" straw man.
 
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Most people I know do not agree with a politician of any stripe 100% of the time. They do agree with the politician or a political viewpoint most of the time and are willing to look beyond the disagreements to advance an agenda. This is called "compromise" and it's something this country was founded upon and we used to be really good at it. However somewhere along the way the leaders of both parties became more interested in purifying their ranks and almost everyone who was moderate was primaried out of existence (or those in office shifted allegiances enough to not get primaried).

As for your insinuation that we're pod people or have some sort of "group think" remember to repeat those criticisms any time more than 1 conservative comes to the defense of another poster. If you miss it, I can help point them out to you.

If the subject is education, business or budget* related, I'm a conservative. Equality, gun control, immigration, religion, military*...I'm not a conservative. I can't follow a party because neither of them has an agenda that aligns with my beliefs.

I get in trouble with you guys because my approach to solving social problems isn't to throw money at them. I do believe that consistent dependence on social programs is bad for the person and I believe the distribution method is wasteful.

In all seriousness, if you could divorce yourself from the confines of a political party, you might be willing to admit that whatever we are doing, it isn't working. But, you've been raised to respond to any suggestion of a different approach with "so, you want all the people to starve?!?!?" or "you are a racist". It is the default response from any liberal if you suggest that we rethink the volume, delivery or requirements of a social program. You look at the data of people below a certain level of income and suggest it is the 1% holding them down. I look at the same data and say we've been expanding social programs for 40 years and it doesn't seem to be improving the results.

You look at our educational performance and think we just don't spend enough money, I look at countries that spend far less per student but produce better results...but i don't have to cater to a huge union...you can't consider real educational reform because it would be treason. And before we go there, I'm not suggesting teachers are 100% of the problem (another great default response), i believe we have too many administrators, too many school districts, too many social experiments etc. The average teacher is not the problem...the union they belong too represents more than just the average teacher.

Any complicated question...I get frustrated with you and Rover and a few others because anytime someone disagrees with you the same insults, the same generalizations and the same "you are a republican" tripe spills out. You don't really want to discuss anything, you only care that there are more people who think like you on here and they can drown out anybody else with a concerted effort of insulst, name calling, misrepresentation etc.

It can be fun to poke at you guys because you present yourselves as thinkers and rational people but you are as thin skinned as anybody and the game really should be how many posts it takes for the rest of us to get one of you to use one of your 10 standard answers.



Oh, and whoever said I changed the subject should go back and read the posts around the one I responded to...I was just commenting among the current flow of posts, I didnt change the subject.
 
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If the subject is education, business or budget* related, I'm a conservative. Equality, gun control, immigration, religion, military*...I'm not a conservative. I can't follow a party because neither of them has an agenda that aligns with my beliefs.

I get in trouble with you guys because my approach to solving social problems isn't to throw money at them. I do believe that consistent dependence on social programs is bad for the person and I believe the distribution method is wasteful.

In all seriousness, if you could divorce yourself from the confines of a political party, you might be willing to admit that whatever we are doing, it isn't working. But, you've been raised to respond to any suggestion of a different approach with "so, you want all the people to starve?!?!?" or "you are a racist". It is the default response from any liberal if you suggest that we rethink the volume, delivery or requirements of a social program. You look at the data of people below a certain level of income and suggest it is the 1% holding them down. I look at the same data and say we've been expanding social programs for 40 years and it doesn't seem to be improving the results.

You look at our educational performance and think we just don't spend enough money, I look at countries that spend far less per student but produce better results...but i don't have to cater to a huge union...you can't consider real educational reform because it would be treason. And before we go there, I'm not suggesting teachers are 100% of the problem (another great default response), i believe we have too many administrators, too many school districts, too many social experiments etc. The average teacher is not the problem...the union they belong too represents more than just the average teacher.

Any complicated question...I get frustrated with you and Rover and a few others because anytime someone disagrees with you the same insults, the same generalizations and the same "you are a republican" tripe spills out. You don't really want to discuss anything, you only care that there are more people who think like you on here and they can drown out anybody else with a concerted effort of insulst, name calling, misrepresentation etc.

It can be fun to poke at you guys because you present yourselves as thinkers and rational people but you are as thin skinned as anybody and the game really should be how many posts it takes for the rest of us to get one of you to use one of your 10 standard answers.

Those are often the default positions because it seems like when the question of, for instance, teachers come up, the GOP couches the issue using similar language as you have, but really is trying to break the union - which just happens to be one of the pillars of the Democratic Party. What an amazing coincidence. If the GOP produced a bill that actually addressed the concerns you raise that would be one thing. What actually gets written is quite another.
 
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6.8%.

And the rich get this:

The fact that about half of the country's processors were among this year's borrowers shows how the sugar industry has integrated cheap government cash into its operations. During the past nine years, the U.S. has lent $8.8 billion to sugar processors. The 2012 loans were granted with interest rates ranging from 1.125% to 1.25%.

In case of a default, a processor would pay the government back in sugar rather than cash; the sugar then is typically sold by the USDA at a loss.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323689204578569332949046260.html

I want 1.25%.
 
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Those are often the default positions because it seems like when the question of, for instance, teachers come up, the GOP couches the issue using similar language as you have, but really is trying to break the union - which just happens to be one of the pillars of the Democratic Party. What an amazing coincidence. If the GOP produced a bill that actually addressed the concerns you raise that would be one thing. What actually gets written is quite another.

I'm against anything that prevents us from addressing the issues in a decisive and productive manner. So, politicians in general run afoul of my beliefs. Political parties are worse. Vested interests, including corporations, unions, demographic groups such as the elderly etc. all skew the process.

How could anyone balance the interests of those groups and keep their political party happy? Imposssible.

I've got no problem with the concept that every solution can't make everybody equally happy...but solving them via the money, vote mongering and lies of political parties?? How is that working out for us? Gun control is the classic example. Neither party is capable of doing the right thing...there is a way to manage the proliferation of guns without outlawing them and we can't allow the "you won't prevent every murder" chorus to prevent us from trying to reduce them.

Now, you'll no doubt pull out some bill that a D suggested would reduce gun violence. And that bill may or may not be practical...but we know it would have been ammended with provisions on everything from oil taxes to naming a highway after Big Bird. Why? Because everybody wants to pervert the intention of the bill for their own political agenda...or wants to force the other guy to either look bad voting against the bill or have to agree to some other issue.

I know the line item veto idea has problems of its own...but none of us would allow any major decision in our life to be twisted into 9 different decisions, 8 of which are extraneous to the matter at hand and several of which are self-serving, counter-productive attempts to settle scores or fill the pork barrel.

What is the quote about a man with only a hammer? A man that only sees one way to do everything, the red way or the blue way is walking right next to him.
 
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I'm against anything that prevents us from addressing the issues in a decisive and productive manner. So, politicians in general run afoul of my beliefs. Political parties are worse. Vested interests, including corporations, unions, demographic groups such as the elderly etc. all skew the process.

How could anyone balance the interests of those groups and keep their political party happy? Imposssible.

I've got no problem with the concept that every solution can't make everybody equally happy...but solving them via the money, vote mongering and lies of political parties?? How is that working out for us? Gun control is the classic example. Neither party is capable of doing the right thing...there is a way to manage the proliferation of guns without outlawing them and we can't allow the "you won't prevent every murder" chorus to prevent us from trying to reduce them.

Now, you'll no doubt pull out some bill that a D suggested would reduce gun violence. And that bill may or may not be practical...but we know it would have been ammended with provisions on everything from oil taxes to naming a highway after Big Bird. Why? Because everybody wants to pervert the intention of the bill for their own political agenda...or wants to force the other guy to either look bad voting against the bill or have to agree to some other issue.

I know the line item veto idea has problems of its own...but none of us would allow any major decision in our life to be twisted into 9 different decisions, 8 of which are extraneous to the matter at hand and several of which are self-serving, counter-productive attempts to settle scores or fill the pork barrel.

What is the quote about a man with only a hammer? A man that only sees one way to do everything, the red way or the blue way is walking right next to him.

I like these rants. Of course, you're right, and I admit I've gotten into the habit of arguing that same "my way or the highway" schtick as 90% of everybody.
 
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The White House answers the petitions concerning the Westboro Baptist "Church"
Moreover, one of the remarkable things about this set of petitions is that it shows just how strong the bonds that unite us can be. Together, we’re more resilient than those who would try to drive us apart.

Take, for instance, this map of all the signers of the petition "Legally recognize Westboro Baptist Church as a hate group" -- that we built with the zip codes that people chose to share with us when they signed. The darker color indicates a higher percentage of signers for that particular area's population. While support for these petitions came from all over the country, it was densely clustered in two places that have unique insight into the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church -- Kansas, the state the church calls home, and Newtown, Connecticut, where the church threatened to picket the funerals of those killed at Sandy Hook Elementary.

Take a look:

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Not one vote from Jefferson or St. Lawrence County, NY (can't quite tell from the map detail). Guess the news did not get there.
 
If you can afford to live somewhere else and consider it permanent residence, because that's what you use for your voting: your PERMANENT ADDRESS, you're obviously not a dependent.
Not all students who live somewhere else are financially independent. When I lived in North Dakota my permanent address was still home in Minnesota. My parents paid my rent, etc...and I voted in ND (which doesn't have voter registration, IIRC).
 
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Not all students who live somewhere else are financially independent. When I lived in North Dakota my permanent address was still home in Minnesota. My parents paid my rent, etc...and I voted in ND (which doesn't have voter registration, IIRC).
Then you obviously should have been living at home.
 
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Not one vote from Jefferson or St. Lawrence County, NY (can't quite tell from the map detail). Guess the news did not get there.

Jefferson has a number of votes. St. Lawrence does not. Neither does Delaware or Wyoming.
 
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Not all students who live somewhere else are financially independent. When I lived in North Dakota my permanent address was still home in Minnesota. My parents paid my rent, etc...and I voted in ND (which doesn't have voter registration, IIRC).

Yet, if your permanent residence was Minnesota, you were to be registered at your permanent residence and mailed an absentee ballot.
 
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