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2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

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Interesting, isn't it, these guys all seem to use the same stylist.
 
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Question: When is it okay to suggest that a United States Senator be assassinated? Answer: Well, legally, never. It’s worth a five-year prison sentence. That didn’t stop the Tea Partiers assembled for a conference call, who included “prominent conservative policymakers Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)’s communications director Stephen Miller and Heritage Foundation research fellow Robert Rector,” as reported by Think Progress:

The most jarring and unexpected moment of the night was when the moderator opened up the phone lines to callers:

BOB FROM MAINE: I’m from Maine and our Tea Party will be meeting up next week. What is the best way that we can get our senator to listen to us?

ANOTHER CALLER: Shoot her. [laughter]

MODERATOR: Yes, we will shoot her with…(inaudible) and phone calls.

After the anonymous statement was made, no one on the call voiced their opposition. Instead, the threat was met with laughter and “oohs.” (At the time of the incident, Sessions’ communications director had apparently left the call.) Calling for the assassination of a senator is a federal crime punishable by five years of jail and may require a Secret Service investigation.

And the senator in question is another Republican, Susan Collins.
 
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As much as I pooh-pooh the idea that people are actually going to rise up and take on the Feds en masse, there is an ever-increasing din these days. Perhaps it's due to the fact a person can broadcast their taking a crap, but jebus...
 
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As much as I pooh-pooh the idea that people are actually going to rise up and take on the Feds en masse, there is an ever-increasing din these days. Perhaps it's due to the fact a person can broadcast their taking a crap, but jebus...

I'm offended and repulsed by that kind of language. It has no place in our political discourse. And we should all work to raise the tone of our political conservation. But the left is a little late coming to this party, don't you think?

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Source? Context?
Its been all over the news, google and you shall find. I wonder if their is tape of this or is this just someones supposed transcript
 
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Its been all over the news, google and you shall find. I wonder if their is tape of this or is this just someones supposed transcript

For all the screaming uproar over this supposed "conference-call-gate"by which the messiah is supposedly entitled to institute permanent martial law, there's something interesting if you read Priceless's smoking gun transcript carefully. A key word was taken out where we are to assume the worst, and replaced with "inaudible". Obviously the going assumption is that he said "assault rifles" but there's simply no evidence of that. If you follow to where it says "and phone calls", it gives a clue that at least for the alleged "moderater", this so-called armed rebellion might not be everything the chicken little's are telling us about causing the end of civilization, etc.
Probably what we have is a ding bat caller making a tasteless joke and the Priceless Chicken Little Brigade "admitting LGBT members since 1991!" is making an armed rebellion out of it in homage to the messiah's martial law ideal. Nothing more.
 
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Its been all over the news, google and you shall find. I wonder if their is tape of this or is this just someones supposed transcript

I was asking him to provide the source and context. It's his responsibility to let us know the source of his "quotes," just as it's his responsibility to "quote" accurately. This tactic comes from the first page of his playbook--find something "outrageous," present it out of context as representative of all conservative thought then do his best Claude Raines imitation: "I'm shocked. Shocked." Smearing everyone he disagrees with is his principal tactic. Recently he scrounged up a quote from some Republican county chairman in Arkansas, and with eyebrows arched to the top of his head, posted it. This is both childish and boring.

In the example at hand, somebody may have said something stupid. And we're supposed to be outraged, shocked, etc. But when a United States senator cracks wise on national TV about "killing two birds" at the WH, well, that's just being humorous. Not to be taken seriously. Move along. Nothing to see here. Although I can't be entirely certain, I'm getting a whiff of a double standard.

"Think Progress" said: "After Tea Party rhetoric got one member of congress shot in the head. . ." Presumably Sarah Palin's fault. This is a blood libel. And the fact that it's been comprehensively disproven and even condemned by Little Dick, is of no importance to these people. When some Tea Party loving clown actually commits violence, let me know. Otherwise, we'll have to satisfy ourselves with libtard myths and legends. Told around campfires, just before the S'mores.
 
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I was asking him to provide the source and context. It's his responsibility to let us know the source of his "quotes," just as it's his responsibility to "quote" accurately.

That's funny Opie, because this is the very thing that happened with ABC News reporting of the so-called talking points memo e-mails! I noticed you weren't too concerned with journalistic ethics then, as another dope of a reporter (Karl in this case) get screwed by his source, no doubt a Republican Congressional staffer who's recollections were a bit off but still got put in "quotes" as coming directly from internal administration deliberations.

See, this is why you guys have the credibility of David Vitter or Mark Sanford (two elected conservatives) chairing a conference on personal morality.
 
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Sen. Frank Lautenberg has passed. Does Chris Christie appoint himself (doubt it), a Democrat ot a Republican?
 
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"We liberals are appalled to see discrimination against anyone because of race, gender, religious beliefs, ethnicity, or sexual orientation."

On the other hand, if the federal government actively discriminates against certain people because of their political views, we're perfectly fine with that.

Yeah, right. :(
 
Sen. Frank Lautenberg has passed. Does Chris Christie appoint himself (doubt it), a Democrat ot a Republican?

Law states a special election.

Regarding Lautenberg, he was the last WWII vet in the Senate. End of an era (there are still a couple in the House I believe).
 
Law states a special election.

Regarding Lautenberg, he was the last WWII vet in the Senate. End of an era (there are still a couple in the House I believe).

Can the gov. appoint an interim pending the special ala Massachusetts? ?
 
Can the gov. appoint an interim pending the special ala Massachusetts? ?

That I'm not sure about.

Regarding Christie though, were I advising him about his prospects I think he's better off crushing the competition for governor this year instead of joining an unpopular Congress. Christie is pretty well set up for a Prez run in the future, just not in 2016 as I don't think his party is ready to nominate another Northeastern quasi-moderate. I expect a hard righty to win the nomination, like a Rand Paul or Paul Ryan. If they win Christie's out of luck but if they lose think how it plays out: the party will be desperate to moderate so that leaves Christie as the front runner. I think he's only around 50, so say he wins big this year and serves out his term. Now he's out of office in Jan of 2018, giving him two years to plan and raise money for a campaign. He's only in his late 50s, presumably has shed a few pounds, and doesn't exactly have to work on his name recognition. I can't picture anybody getting the better of him in the primary debates either. Obviously I can't predict the future but his path looks clearer than most.
 
That I'm not sure about.

Regarding Christie though, were I advising him about his prospects I think he's better off crushing the competition for governor this year instead of joining an unpopular Congress. Christie is pretty well set up for a Prez run in the future, just not in 2016 as I don't think his party is ready to nominate another Northeastern quasi-moderate. I expect a hard righty to win the nomination, like a Rand Paul or Paul Ryan. If they win Christie's out of luck but if they lose think how it plays out: the party will be desperate to moderate so that leaves Christie as the front runner. I think he's only around 50, so say he wins big this year and serves out his term. Now he's out of office in Jan of 2018, giving him two years to plan and raise money for a campaign. He's only in his late 50s, presumably has shed a few pounds, and doesn't exactly have to work on his name recognition. I can't picture anybody getting the better of him in the primary debates either. Obviously I can't predict the future but his path looks clearer than most.

We agree on sonething!! BTW he's had stomach surgery to lose weight. He'll look svelte if and when he runs.
 
We agree on sonething!! BTW he's had stomach surgery to lose weight. He'll look svelte if and when he runs.

There are two GOP candidates I'd worry about running against. One is Jon Huntsman and the other is Christie. I don't think Huntsman could beat Hillary because it would be another race like 2008 and 2012 where you had a historic candidacy vs a Republican out of central casting. However, in a non-Hillary year I could see Huntsman running a "back to normalcy" campaign and re-enacting the narrow electoral win of GWB's 2nd term with 280 or so electoral votes.

Christie is the only candidate who could upset the fundamental problem facing GOP Presidential candidates which is the electoral map is working against them. Right now with the understanding that the past doesn't predict the future, the Republicans need to find someone that can win out West (NV,CO), in the Rust Belt (OH), and in the South (VA,NC,FL). They have to win all of these states. Christie changes the calculus because he puts NJ and PA in play at the very least. Then you can lose FL or VA or CO and still win the election.
 
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"We liberals are appalled to see discrimination against anyone because of race, gender, religious beliefs, ethnicity, or sexual orientation."

On the other hand, if the federal government actively discriminates against certain people because of their political views, we're perfectly fine with that.

Yeah, right. :(

Yet they don't see hiring standards based upon race to be racism.
 
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There are two GOP candidates I'd worry about running against. One is Jon Huntsman and the other is Christie. I don't think Huntsman could beat Hillary because it would be another race like 2008 and 2012 where you had a historic candidacy vs a Republican out of central casting. However, in a non-Hillary year I could see Huntsman running a "back to normalcy" campaign and re-enacting the narrow electoral win of GWB's 2nd term with 280 or so electoral votes.

Christie is the only candidate who could upset the fundamental problem facing GOP Presidential candidates which is the electoral map is working against them. Right now with the understanding that the past doesn't predict the future, the Republicans need to find someone that can win out West (NV,CO), in the Rust Belt (OH), and in the South (VA,NC,FL). They have to win all of these states. Christie changes the calculus because he puts NJ and PA in play at the very least. Then you can lose FL or VA or CO and still win the election.

Depends what you mean by "worry". In the sense that they are a greater risk for pulling back the folks who have fled to the Democrats and winning the election, yes, Christie and Huntsman are greater risks, but they're moderate enough that I could consider voting for them depending on the circumstances. In the sense that I'm worried about the damage they could do to the country if they win, I'm more worried about someone like Ted Cruz, who's clearly a solid politician who tends extreme Tea Party to boot, though I'd like to think that his schtick will play a lot better with Texas than the U.S. as a whole.
 
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