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2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

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Foxton said:
Both positions took the same amount of time to get through, position B due to the high volume and political connotations of their titles and goals just made itself a larger target to possibly get audited. Has it been shown at all that every conservative group was instantly audited? Certainly the unequal treatment between conservative groups themselves is something to be outraged about! For what is the difference between tea party and 9/12 but the name and how ****tarded they are?

Your analogy is flawed in assuming that both positions are equal when applying as a social welfare group and not a political organization. The criteria that the low level functionaries put in didn't suddenly appear from a vacuum. It'd be no different if suddenly there were thousands of applications from groups calling themselves "99%". There's plenty of context and real examples of conservative groups as tax exempt organizations being used to funnel unlimited and untraceable money into politics. The very thing they are not supposed to do as one of those organizations and the very thing these IRS agents were supposed to weed out.

May have been posted before but some background on all the stuff they were dealing with.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/u...lear-about-the-rules.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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You're not supposed to think about it, you're just supposed to feel outraged!

You're also not supposed to notice that some of these Tea Party groups broke election law.

When CVFC, a conservative veterans’ group in California, applied for tax-exempt status with the Internal Revenue Service, its biggest expenditure that year was several thousand dollars in radio ads backing a Republican candidate for Congress.

The Wetumpka Tea Party, from Alabama, sponsored training for a get-out-the-vote initiative dedicated to the “defeat of President Barack Obama” while the I.R.S. was weighing its application.

And the head of the Ohio Liberty Coalition, whose application languished with the I.R.S. for more than two years, sent out e-mails to members about Mitt Romney campaign events and organized members to distribute Mr. Romney’s presidential campaign literature.
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But that isn't supposed to be important because BENGHAZI! Um, I mean SOLYNDRA! No wait, what scandal are we talking about now?
 
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Priceless said:
You're not supposed to think about it, you're just supposed to feel outraged!

You're also not supposed to notice that some of these Tea Party groups broke election law.

But that isn't supposed to be important because BENGHAZI! Um, I mean SOLYNDRA! No wait, what scandal are we talking about now?
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Hillary killing Abe Lincoln...
 
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Priceless said:
You're not supposed to think about it, you're just supposed to feel outraged!

You're also not supposed to notice that some of these Tea Party groups broke election law.



But that isn't supposed to be important because BENGHAZI! Um, I mean SOLYNDRA! No wait, what scandal are we talking about now?
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What happened to the "may" in the sentence "may have broken election law?" Is anybody keeping track of how many times this guy has justified the bad behavior of Little Dick and the Dickettes by pointing to bad behavior by others? What he hasn't been able to come up with is an explanation of why one justifies the other.
 
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Priceless said:
Did you know that the supposed "Zimmerman Note" was actually authored by none other than Joe Biden?
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Everyone knows of Joe's exceptional rhetorical skills. Especially when he's plagiarizing a speech.
 
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Foxton said:
Both positions took the same amount of time to get through, position B due to the high volume and political connotations of their titles and goals just made itself a larger target to possibly get audited. Has it been shown at all that every conservative group was instantly audited? Certainly the unequal treatment between conservative groups themselves is something to be outraged about! For what is the difference between tea party and 9/12 but the name and how ****tarded they are?

Your analogy is flawed in assuming that both positions are equal when applying as a social welfare group and not a political organization. The criteria that the low level functionaries put in didn't suddenly appear from a vacuum. It'd be no different if suddenly there were thousands of applications from groups calling themselves "99%". There's plenty of context and real examples of conservative groups as tax exempt organizations being used to funnel unlimited and untraceable money into politics. The very thing they are not supposed to do as one of those organizations and the very thing these IRS agents were supposed to weed out.

May have been posted before but some background on all the stuff they were dealing with.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/u...lear-about-the-rules.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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"I vass yost following orders." Maybe that'll work this time around.
 
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Foxton said:
There's plenty of context and real examples of conservative groups as tax exempt organizations being used to funnel unlimited and untraceable money into politics.
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Unbelievable. You know, there are plenty of statistics, much less "context and examples," that show that black people are more likely to commit crimes, but that shouldn't be used to excuse unequal treatment at traffic stops, should it? People (and organizations) should be judged on their *own* deeds, not pre-judged based on their associations.
 
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LynahFan said:
Unbelievable. You know, there are plenty of statistics, much less "context and examples," that show that black people are more likely to commit crimes, but that shouldn't be used to excuse unequal treatment at traffic stops, should it? People (and organizations) should be judged on their *own* deeds, not pre-judged based on their associations.
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You know, there was a time that "guilt by association" was at the top of the liberal hit parade. As in: "It's guilt by association to condemn somebody as a security risk just because he went to a few meetings in college." Not so much now.
 
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LynahFan said:
Unbelievable. You know, there are plenty of statistics, much less "context and examples," that show that black people are more likely to commit crimes, but that shouldn't be used to excuse unequal treatment at traffic stops, should it? People (and organizations) should be judged on their *own* deeds, not pre-judged based on their associations.
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Again with the flawed analogies. These are not individual people just going about their daily lives. These are social/political organizations applying for a specific tax status. (And connecting themselves by name and purpose to well known political movements, the exact opposite of what they are applying for.)
 
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Filibuster here we come!

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama plans to nominate three judges to a critical federal court in a move that The New York Times says "will effectively be daring Republicans to find specific ground to filibuster all the nominees."

The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit is considered nearly as powerful as the Supreme Court and is known as a proving ground for potential high-court nominees. The three vacancies are part of a staffing crisis that has plagued the judiciary, as Obama's nominees have been bottled up in the Senate by GOP obstruction. And while he has had to wait longer than past presidents to have judges approved, he has also nominated them at a slower pace.

A Senate Democratic aide said that Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has been pressing the president to make such a move to raise the pressure on Republicans. "That is what Reid has been pressing for and why we cleared Sri last week," the aide said, referring Sri Srinivasan, who was recently approved for the Court, reducing the gap from four to three. He was approved 97-0 once Republicans dropped procedural objections.

A major reason Obama has tapped fewer judges, HuffPost's Jen Bendery recently reported, has to do with Senate tradition, which requires home state senators to put forward a slate of acceptable nominees from which the president chooses. But GOP senators have declined to put forward a slate. In some cases, they have then subsequently complained about the slow pace of nominations.

Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) recently slammed the idea that Obama would fill all the D.C. court vacancies as "packing the court," but was quickly corrected by a colleague, who noted that the term refers to an attempt to increase the number of judges on a panel in order to tip the balance, not to fill existing vacancies.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) made a similar charge. "The whole purpose here is to stack the court," he said on the Senate floor during debate over obstruction and Srinivasan's nomination. "The real issue here is I guess [Reid] disagrees with the rulings on the D.C. Circuit."
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This will be almost as controversial as when President Obama imposed his Stamp Act on the colonies.
 
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Foxton said:
Again with the flawed analogies. These are not individual people just going about their daily lives. These are social/political organizations applying for a specific tax status. (And connecting themselves by name and purpose to well known political movements, the exact opposite of what they are applying for.)
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So we get equal protection under the laws YOU think are more important, but not others, and, shockingly, the ones you think are less important just happen to have been used against groups you disagree with. What are the odds of that?
 
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