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2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!

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Gurtholfin said:
So the bus thing was theoretical? If so, why did you use it as part of your "well they're doing this, so it's okay if we do that" argument about voter ID?

Again, the GOP has enacted or is trying to enact voter ID laws and other forms of voter suppression in an obviously coordinated effort across most of the country where they hold power. This is FACT, not theoretical.

You could argue that the why is theoretical, but anyone of even moderate intelligence can connect those dots.


As for the felon thing, I saw articles that say that most of the 5 mil felons would vote Dem if allowed to vote. How many would actually vote? Who knows?

I couldn't find anything that says that multiple states across the country where Democrats hold sway are trying to pass laws to allow them to vote in a desperate attempt to hold onto power in a demographically challenging future.


Just admit that the voter ID stuff is a strategy just like the union busting stuff. The GOP got away with the union busting and it was a major victory for them and a good (political) strategy.

If they get away with all of this voter suppression, it may benefit them in huge ways. It's a good strategy and it's only aimed at winning elections in the future when the numbers will in all other ways be against the GOP.

Even if voter ID makes some common sense, admit that it's being done right now by these state governments as a ploy. To claim anything else is the height on intellectual dishonesty and only makes one look like a fool.
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Sure, if you'll admit trolling in jails and prisons for votes is the mirror image. Just beg the question and put your fingers in your ears. Typical.
 
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The other day I was accused of making up a similar story. Now from a completely different source, we have a veteran teacher suspended from his school for showing the kids how to use pliers. Thanks to more "no tolerance of weapons", which apparently includes pliers, wrenches, and pictures of weapons. Because if we're not all walking on eggshells 24/7, the terrorists have won or something. :rolleyes:
 
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geezer said:
The other day I was accused of making up a similar story. Now from a completely different source, we have a veteran teacher suspended from his school for showing the kids how to use pliers. Thanks to more "no tolerance of weapons", which apparently includes pliers, wrenches, and pictures of weapons. Because if we're not all walking on eggshells 24/7, the terrorists have won or something. :rolleyes:
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I wonder if that school has shop class...
 
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Priceless said:
So, I assume since no one is arguing the point, everyone agrees that comprehensive background checks before you buy a gun (even at gun shows) is a good idea.
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It doesn't matter whether they're a "good idea" or not. They'd be useless in preventing another Newtown.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It would? How. You mean to tell me I can't fake an ID? Or, are you proposing DNA/Fingerprint checks to vote?

There's always a way to cheat. The gun guys say we can't do background checks cause all it does is punish the folks that follow the law. Same logic applies here as all Voter ID does is punish the folks that play by the rules.
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That's what I said. You misread my post you are responding to.
 
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unofan said:
Edit: accidental deletion of my last post. The mobile version of this board stinks.



Because it's sold as a means to combat fraud. Surely you're not suggesting those politicians are lying to drum up the base, are you?

And when you have a high-level state official celebrating that their laws would guarantee a win in his state for a specific presidential candidate, that should likewise be ignored, right?

Voter Id laws are ok in theory. But you cannot ignore the growing mountain of evidence that they are in reality a partisan attempt to win elections.
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Let's see, our beloved Attorney General calls mandated but not provided state ID a "poll tax." But can't quite rouse himself to action when some simpering, nancy boy Black Panthers ponce around in their little uniforms, with weapons, outside a precinct. I'm guessing his attitude would be somewhat different if the demonstrators were wearing Klan robes.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Still got nothing I see.
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Right back attcha. Democrats want to register as many people in their core constituency as possible. And they aren't particularly concerned about the eligibility of those people to do so legally. Felons? Illegals? Who cares? "We're on a mission from God." So preen away, anyone with a room temperature IQ knows what Democrats are up to here, and why.
 
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geezer said:
The other day I was accused of making up a similar story. Now from a completely different source, we have a veteran teacher suspended from his school for showing the kids how to use pliers. Thanks to more "no tolerance of weapons", which apparently includes pliers, wrenches, and pictures of weapons. Because if we're not all walking on eggshells 24/7, the terrorists have won or something. :rolleyes:
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According to the UPI, it was a pocket knife. Which is still ridiculous, but not as bad or unexpected. We couldn't have knives at school when i was going to high school, and that was in the 90's.

I for one am shocked a source as reputable as CNS spun it worse than the national enquirer
 
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Old Pio said:
Right back attcha. Democrats want to register as many people in their core constituency as possible. And they aren't particularly concerned about the eligibility of those people to legally do so. Felons? Illegals? Who cares? "We're on a mission from God." So preen away, anyone with a room temperature IQ knows what's going on here, and why.
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I think a few minors were also involved. Which technically is not illegal by federal law; it's just not protected by the Constitution.
 
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Well, did somebody decide to hold a Knuckledragger Convention and nobody told me about it? Yikes.

So, voter ID. In fact some states have strengthened voter ID laws but gave time to implement the changes. Rhode Island comes to mind. The problem occured when states passed laws to take effect a few months before election day or even before the primaries. Pennsylvania comes to mind, where un-American conservative Republicans resorted to Soviet era tactics to prevent legal citizens from voting. How you ask, since according to the not-getting-laid-in-this-decade chorus of USCHO righty posters voter ID's are easy to obtain? Because what constitutes a proper ID has to be gotten at the RMV, and they couldn't handle the volume so close to election day. Sorta fits with the honest but ill timed declaration by the GOP House Speaker who stated this would give the state to Romney come election day.

The funniest part in all of this is that as a strategy for winning elections its doomed to fail. Not only will the courts block a blatant voter suppression effort every time, but all you do is PO the very people you're trying to screw, thus ensuring they come out in droves and not only vote against your candidate, but most likely every other one with an R next to their name on the ballot. Wasn't PA supposed to be a toss up state, while FL was in the bag for Mittens due limiting early voting, polling hours, voter registration, etc, etc ,etc? How did that work out again? One has to think that in addition to the utter bankrupcy and moldiness of conservative ideas, part of the problem was a motivated voter base on the left who was out for a little payback for these illegal electoral shennanigans directed at them and put forth by the GOP. Here's a thought guys, try embracing policies that voters support and maybe you'll win more elections.
 
Bob Gray said:
Nice rhetoric.
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Thanks! As someone who thinks conservative Republicanism is a cancer on this country, I fully support their efforts to supress the vote. 1) It never passes legal muster, 2) It's a fools errand as I've yet to hear of an election turning on people who formerly could vote suddenly being denied the ability to when they showed up at the polling station, and 3) It further stereotypes the party as a bunch of aging dinosaurs who only want people who "look like them" voting whether that's a fair assessment or not.

Really, as a Dem I can tell you the only people who actually worry about this stuff costing us are people like Kepler who, bless his soul, tends to think that the GOP always has some dastardly plot in their back pocket to steal elections. If they do they might want to unveil it sometime soon...
 
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Sometimes I forget why I hate the current state of politics in this country. Then I see things like state reps from Arkansas saying they're going to use the Second Amendment to fight Obamacare and other statements like this:

Rover said:
Thanks! As someone who thinks conservative Republicanism is a cancer on this country
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dxmnkd316 said:
Sometimes I forget why I hate the current state of politics in this country. Then I see things like state reps from Arkansas saying they're going to use the Second Amendment to fight Obamacare and other statements like this:
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How the heck does PPACA violate the second amendment?! That makes absolutely NO sense. The first amendment I can understand, as I remember reading a case (don't remember specifically which one) where a tax being paid in order to be able to practice one's religion is unconstitutional.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
How the heck does PPACA violate the second amendment?! That makes absolutely NO sense. The first amendment I can understand, as I remember reading a case (don't remember specifically which one) where a tax being paid in order to be able to practice one's religion is unconstitutional.
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More likely this obscure Arkansas congressman shouted something about taking up arms and marching on Washington to make a citizens' arrest of the government. Thus, in his opinion, exercising second ammendent rights to halt Obamacare.
 
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