2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!

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I have no problem with expanding background checks. What I have objected to is the Sun King hiding behind the Newtown families, as if background checks would have some likelihood of preventing the next school shooting. Or the next Tucson. We have massive gun violence in this country. Thousands of accidental deaths every year*. Thousands of suicides. Thousands of gang murders. That's where we should focus our attention, not on these mercifully rare school shootings.

The Sun King is in the Rose Garden, proclaiming his disappointment that the measure didn't pass. And he's mentioning Newtown and Aurora and other, similar events. But no mention of the slaughter in our inner cities. Why? Are the innocent kids and grandparents gunned down in those events not important, too?

*More children die every year in accidental shootings than have been killed in all school shootings combined.

It's politics. He talks about the kids in school because we all know or have kids in school. He mentions Aurora because all of can identify with people going to movies.

 

[walrus]

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It's politics. He talks about the kids in school because we all know or have kids in school. He mentions Aurora because all of can identify with people going to movies.

Lots of folks live in cities also.

 

[Old Pio]

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Lots of folks live in cities also.

Air breathing? Bi-pedal? Mammalian?

What did the shootings in Tucson, Aurora and Virginia Tech have in common? Loughner, Holmes and Woo Tang Klan were all known nutbars, hiding in plain sight. Loughner had been 86ed out of his JC, a psychiatrist has testified she told university officials Holmes was a danger to himself and others, and Woo Tang Klan was so obviously disturbed both students and faculty refused to be in class with him. Yet nothing was done.

Remember Nikki Giovanni, who gave that emotional, defiant speech "we are Virginia Tech"? She had Woo Tang in a class and told her superiors either he goes or I go. She wanted him outta there or she was quitting. It may be an exercise in hindsight, but if I were a dean or department head, having a senior, highly valued faculty member make that kind of statement about a student would, I think, definitely get my attention.

 

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Lots of folks live in cities also.

Not the people he needs to convince about gun safety.

 

[walrus]

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Not the people he needs to convince about gun safety.

They're the ones dying every day, seems like they need to be convinced to me

 

[Old Pio]

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They're the ones dying every day, seems like they need to be convinced to me

If they don't need to be convinced, then at least their deaths and injuries and fears need to be acknowledged. Chicago suffers the equivalent of a Newtown every month. Seldom noticed, let alone mentioned by Dianne Feinstein et al.

 

[joecct]

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They're the ones dying every day, seems like they need to be convinced to me

To nitpick, if you're dead, you're beyond caring.

I will submit that no legislation is going to prevent a crazy person from acting crazy.

 

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They're the ones dying every day, seems like they need to be convinced to me

Lots of dues-paying members of the NRA in the inner cities?

 

[Old Pio]

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To nitpick, if you're dead, you're beyond caring.

I will submit that no legislation is going to prevent a crazy person from acting crazy.

I object that the focus here has been on the least frequent crimes (school shootings) and the least frequently used weapons ("assault"). I don't oppose or care about background checks, but let's no kid ourselves that they're going to make a difference in the frequency of school shootings. Perhaps some marginal impact on the incidence of crime and, more importantly, in the prosecution of crime. But school shootings are a whole other animal.

 

[walrus]

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Lots of dues-paying members of the NRA in the inner cities?

Lots of votes

 

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Lots of votes

Those people already support the legislation. The NRA is the one blocking the bill. If you can't defeat the gun lobby, every single person in the inner city could agree and it wouldn't matter. The NRA does a great job of protecting the profits of gun manufacturers.

For example:

But a crucial piece of evidence called a taggant that could be used to trace the gunpowder used in the bombs to a buyer at a point of sale is not available to investigators.

“If you had a good taggant this would be a good thing for this kind of crime. It could help identify the point of manufacturer, and chain of custody,” Bob Morhard, an explosives consultant and chief executive officer of Zukovich, Morhard & Wade, LLC., in Pennsylvania, who has traced explosives and detonators in use in the United States and Saudi Arabia, told MSNBC.com. “The problem is nobody wants to know what the material is.”

Explosives manufacturers are required to place tracing elements known as identification taggants only in plastic explosives but not in gunpowder, thanks to lobbying efforts by the NRA and large gun manufacturing groups.
NRA officials at the group’s headquarters in Fairfax, Virginia declined to respond to calls and emails from MSNBC.com requesting comment.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation and the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc., share a cross-membership of dozens of firearms manufacturers based out of their joint offices in Newtown, Connecticut. Foundation spokesman Bill Brassard, Jr. told MSNBC.com that no one from either group was available for comment. “They are concerned about tort liability,” Morhard added to MSNBC.com, referring to manufacturers worried about being sued over the improper use of their ammunition or explosives. Worries about the cost of adding taggants to gunpowder were also raised by the Institute of Makers of Explosives.

 

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NRA officials at the group’s headquarters in Fairfax, Virginia declined to respond to calls and emails from MSNBC.com

There's a shocker. I can't imagine why they wouldn't talk to such hardworking, All-American, truth-telling journalists as those at MSNBC.

 

[Old Pio]

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Those people already support the legislation. The NRA is the one blocking the bill. If you can't defeat the gun lobby, every single person in the inner city could agree and it wouldn't matter. The NRA does a great job of protecting the profits of gun manufacturers.

For example:

For the love of G*d. I have no use for the NRA and especially Wayne LaPierre, and have said so repeatedly. But hysterical speculating by the generally unreliable MSNBC about the investigation (which is just barely 48 hours old) as being "blocked" by the NRA is speculative, theoretical and tendentious--at best.

There are all sorts of reports that the Feebs are very close to an arrest, having identified a very important "person of interest," and having made considerable progress in learning about the devices. So before we talk about the "ultimate evil" NRA "blocking" an investigation, perhaps we should wait to see if the investigation has actually been "blocked."

 

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For the love of G*d. I have no use for the NRA and especially Wayne LaPierre, and have said so repeatedly. But hysterical speculating by the generally unreliable MSNBC about the investigation (which is just barely 48 hours old) as being "hindered" by the NRA is speculative, theoretical and tendentious--at best.

There are all sorts of reports that the Feebs are very close to an arrest, having identified a very important "person of interest," and having made considerable progress in learning about the devices. So before we talk about the "ultimate evil" NRA "hindering" an investigation, perhaps we should wait to see if the investigation has actually been "hindered."

It wouldn't be easier if there was a chemical in the gunpowder that made it easier to trace?

 

[Old Pio]

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There's a shocker. I can't imagine why they wouldn't talk to such hardworking, All-American, truth-telling journalists as those at MSNBC.

Quelle surprise: it's Bush's fault.

 

[Old Pio]

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It wouldn't be easier if there was a chemical in the gunpowder that made it easier to trace?

Possibly. Maybe even probably. Let me ask you a question: isn't it possible there are reasonable chemical, manufacturing or even legal questions that should be answered before requiring taggants in all explosive?.

But the issue you've presented is not the efficacy of taggants. It's that the NRA's opposition to taggants has "blocked" or will "block" the investigation into Boston. No evidence to support that. But that doesn't stop you and the "journalists" at MSNBC from asserting it. It's not a matter of having low standards for criticizing people and groups you don't like. It's a matter of having no standards at all.

 

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There's a shocker. I can't imagine why they wouldn't talk to such hardworking, All-American, truth-telling journalists as those at MSNBC.

No, they were waiting for those hardworking, All-American, truth-telling journalists from Faux.

 

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No, they were waiting for those hardworking, All-American, truth-telling journalists from Faux.

For sure. Unless they interrupted a call from "InfoWars."

 

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No, they were waiting for those hardworking, All-American, truth-telling journalists from Faux.

The Games Committee awards you a thousand points for correctly referring to Fox as "Faux" in the context of an Internet political argument.

Minus five hundred to geezer for failure to refer to MSNBC as "Marxist Socialist Network Broadcasting Corp".

 

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The Games Committee awards you a thousand points for correctly referring to Fox as "Faux" in the context of an Internet political argument.

Minus five hundred to geezer for failure to refer to MSNBC as "Marxist Socialist Network Broadcasting Corp".

Blatantly stolen from a British comedy sketch by way of TVTropes:

President Bob: Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads and watches what. CNN is watched by people who think they run the country, The New York Times is read by people who think they ought to run the country, The Washington Post is read by the people who actually do run the country, USA Today is read by the wives of the people who run the country, CNBC is watched by people who think they own the country, The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who actually do own the country, MSNBC is watched by people who think the country ought to be run by another country, and Fox News is watched by people who think it is.

Smarmy Civil Servant Alice: Mr. President, what about people who read The National Enquirer?

President's Body Man Charlie: National Enquirer readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big ****.