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2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!

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dxmnkd316 said:
I do think we need to be careful how we proceed on "forcing" (again, at a lack of a better term) businesses to take customers. What if they have enough time to serve 10 people and the 11th is gay? How do we determine whether someone has enough time to help that couple instead of denying service because they are gay? Do we need to implement a system of affirmative action for how a business actually does business? It gets very messy.

For the record, I think this idea of legally banning gay marriage is shameful. I can't imagine someone denying another person's right to live his or her life with the person whom they choose.
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Considering my job involves making those kinds of determinations, I'm getting a kick out of your post...

It's easy in the 1-2% of the cases where they flat out admit it or otherwise say biased things. Otherwise, you look at the surrounding circumstances. Was the store actually busy? Did the customer complain to management? Is there video footage from security cameras? Was a police report filed by either side for trespass/assault/etc? Were there witnesses? Is one side more credible?
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
Vermont, who was the first state to do this, enacted civil unions as the method of doing this. I'd say it's a decent compromise, because a marriage truly still is in the eyes of the deity that the couple worships, while if a couple wishes to find legal protection, they are able to do so through a judicial system. Whether the government decides to recognize a religious marriage I will not comment.
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Why should we cede the term marriage to religion? Can atheists not get married then?
 
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unofan said:
Considering my job involves making those kinds of determinations, I'm getting a kick out of your post...

It's easy in the 1-2% of the cases where they flat out admit it or otherwise say biased things. Otherwise, you look at the surrounding circumstances. Was the store actually busy? Did the customer complain to management? Is there video footage from security cameras? Was a police report filed by either side for trespass/assault/etc? Were there witnesses? Is one side more credible?
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You're going to make a huge deal out of something that could easily be solved by going to the next bakery?
 
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unofan said:
So if the term doesn't matter, why do we need to defend it? Why not just agree that all civil unions are marriages?
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Marriages are religious ceremonies where the minister has applied for a justice of the peace license in order to also perform a legal ceremony; I assume for convenience's sake. Civil unions are strictly legal ceremonies.
 
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I look at it from a business standpoint. I heard on the news that NYC made $259 million after same-sex marriage was legalized. Cake shops, restaurants, caterers, florists and other people in the marrying business will get an economic boost from this.

Also, my brother put an awesome quote on his Facebook from a comedian that sums up my opinion on gay marriage.

“If a couple of gay guys want to throw the gayest, most fabulous wedding of all time, the only way it should offend you is if you weren’t invited.”
― Orlando Winters
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
“If a couple of gay guys want to throw the gayest, most fabulous wedding of all time, the only way it should offend you is if you weren’t invited.”
― Orlando Winters
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That is truly epic.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
I look at it from a business standpoint. I heard on the news that NYC made $259 million after same-sex marriage was legalized. Cake shops, restaurants, caterers, florists and other people in the marrying business will get an economic boost from this.

Also, my brother put an awesome quote on his Facebook from a comedian that sums up my opinion on gay marriage.

“If a couple of gay guys want to throw the gayest, most fabulous wedding of all time, the only way it should offend you is if you weren’t invited.”
― Orlando Winters
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Exactly why I said they'll just go to the next bakery if discrimination occurs. Congratulations, business owner, you just lost a sale.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
Marriages are religious ceremonies where the minister has applied for a justice of the peace license in order to also perform a legal ceremony; I assume for convenience's sake. Civil unions are strictly legal ceremonies.
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I disagree with the premise that marriage is inherently religious.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Exactly why I said they'll just go to the next bakery if discrimination occurs. Congratulations, business owner, you just lost a sale.
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And they'll tell their friends. It's called voting via wallet.
 
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unofan said:
I disagree with the premise that marriage is inherently religious.
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I'm just trying to provide an alternative. But no, you're letting your greed get to you. Pigs get slaughtered.
 
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unofan said:
And blacks shouldve been content to use the next water fountain, right?
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If you're not welcome somewhere, go somewhere where you are welcome. If someone wants to shape their life over their personal beliefs, I say let them do it. Hopefully there's no interdependence involved, or else they're screwed.
 
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