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2025 Bracketology: The Road to Utica!

MikeMidd said:
At the end of the Trinity-Middlebury broadcast yesterday, the Trinity commentator was surprisingly positive about the Bantams getting an at-large bid. Surely not a chance.

But a lot of pressure on Hamilton, who have only made one tournament appearance ever and seemingly are out if they don't win the NESCAC.

I know, ratios and all that, but surely it's time to expand the tournament!
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Likely just not familiar with the process because as you can see from the NPI, Trinity has NO shot.
 
A new update with Fitchburg State moving into the AQ in the MASCAC

CNE: Curry (1)
MAC: Wilkes (17)
MASCAC: Fitchburg State (54)
MIAC: Gustavus (33)
NCHA: St. Norbert (5)
NEHC: Hobart (2)
NESCAC: Hamilton (9)
SUNYAC: Oswego (16)
UCHC: Utica (3)
WIAC: Eau Claire (40)

At-Large:

Aurora (4)
Geneseo (6)
UNE (7)
Trine (8)

First Round:

Trine @ Geneseo
Gustavus @ Aurora
Eau Claire @ St. Norbert
Fitchburg State @ Utica
Wilkes @ UNE
Oswego @ Hamilton

Quarterfinals:

Oswego/Hamilton @ Curry
Trine/Geneseo @ Hobart
Eau Claire/St. Norbert @ Gustavus/Aurora
Wilkes/UNE @ Fitchburg/Utica
 
Pioneer247 said:
A new update with Fitchburg State moving into the AQ in the MASCAC

CNE: Curry (1)
MAC: Wilkes (17)
MASCAC: Fitchburg State (54)
MIAC: Gustavus (33)
NCHA: St. Norbert (5)
NEHC: Hobart (2)
NESCAC: Hamilton (9)
SUNYAC: Oswego (16)
UCHC: Utica (3)
WIAC: Eau Claire (40)

At-Large:

Aurora (4)
Geneseo (6)
UNE (7)
Trine (8)

First Round:

Trine @ Geneseo
Gustavus @ Aurora
Eau Claire @ St. Norbert
Fitchburg State @ Utica
Wilkes @ UNE
Oswego @ Hamilton

Quarterfinals:

Oswego/Hamilton @ Curry
Trine/Geneseo @ Hobart
Eau Claire/St. Norbert @ Gustavus/Aurora
Wilkes/UNE @ Fitchburg/Utica
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Fitchburg has no business getting a bid, obviously, but I like this bracket, if only due to the fact that Utica looks to have the easiest road to the FF of all.

Still, none of us know how the D-3 mafia might tweak it, if it can.

Is the NPI is 100% verifiable, or not?

Don't know, but it smells a little off to me.
 
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Going into the final day of the regular season and only 2 more bids to give out, this is where we stand:

CNE: Curry (1)
MAC: Stevenson (19)
MASCAC: Fitchburg (49)
MIAC: Gustavus (30)
NCHA: St. Norbert (5)
NEHC: Hobart* (2)
NESCAC: Hamilton* (9)
SUNYAC: Oswego (16)
UCHC: Geneseo (6)
WIAC: Eau-Claire (40)

At-Large:

Aurora (3)
Utica (4)
Trine (7)
UNE (8)

First Round:

Trine @ Geneseo
Eau-Claire @ Aurora
Gustavus @ St. Norbert
Fitchburg @ Utica
Stevenson @ UNE (499 miles!)
Oswego @ Hamilton

Quarterfinals:

Oswego/Hamilton @ Curry
Trine/Geneseo @ Hobart
Gustavus/St. Norbert @ Eau-Claire/Aurora
Stevenson/UNE @ Fitchburg/Utica
 
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Pioneer247 said:
Going into the final day of the regular season and only 2 more bids to give out, this is where we stand:

CNE: Curry (1)
MAC: Stevenson (19)
MASCAC: Fitchburg (49)
MIAC: Gustavus (30)
NCHA: St. Norbert (5)
NEHC: Hobart* (2)
NESCAC: Hamilton* (9)
SUNYAC: Oswego (16)
UCHC: Geneseo (6)
WIAC: Eau-Claire (40)

At-Large:

Aurora (3)
Utica (4)
UNE (7)
Trine (8)

First Round:

Trine @ Geneseo
Eau-Claire @ Aurora
Gustavus @ St. Norbert
Fitchburg @ Utica
Stevenson @ UNE (499 miles!)
Oswego @ Hamilton

Quarterfinals:

Oswego/Hamilton @ Curry
Trine/Geneseo @ Hobart
Gustavus/St. Norbert @ Eau-Claire/Aurora
Stevenson/UNE @ Fitchburg/Utica
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Thanks for doing the math. It's a fun read.
 
Why are these necessarily the matchups ? Is it guess work or do you predict it by least amount of miles traveled or something ?

I’m also curious do they give the byes always to the two top pairwise or do you need to be conference champion ?
 
IJustLost said:
Why are these necessarily the matchups ? Is it guess work or do you predict it by least amount of miles traveled or something ?

I’m also curious do they give the byes always to the two top pairwise or do you need to be conference champion ?
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So it splitting it up first by region (or teams that can play in both), and then seed the teams accordingly based on those list, and then assigning the matchups based on these seeds

For example, in this scenario we have:

EAST:
1 - Curry
2 - Utica
3 - UNE
4 - Hamilton
5 - Oswego
6 - Stevenson
7 - Fitchburg

EAST/WEST:
1 - Hobart
2 - Geneseo
3 - Trine

WEST:
1 - Aurora
2 - St. Norbert
3 - Gustavus
4 - Eau-Claire

So in the East, 1 has the bye, and then 2v7, 3v6, 4v5. In the East/West, it's 2v3 and the winner plays 1, and then the West has 1v4 and 2v3.

And the goal is to always give #1 and #2 in the NPI (formerly PWR) a bye, but if location restrictions would mean giving a bye to a team would make an uneven/impossible bracket, it's not guaranteed. Like this year, if Aurora was #2, they still would probably not get a bye because there's no way to play a 4-team West bracket with a bye
 
Pioneer247 said:
So it splitting it up first by region (or teams that can play in both), and then seed the teams accordingly based on those list, and then assigning the matchups based on these seeds

For example, in this scenario we have:

EAST:
1 - Curry
2 - Utica
3 - UNE
4 - Hamilton
5 - Oswego
6 - Stevenson
7 - Fitchburg

EAST/WEST:
1 - Hobart
2 - Geneseo
3 - Trine

WEST:
1 - Aurora
2 - St. Norbert
3 - Gustavus
4 - Eau-Claire

So in the East, 1 has the bye, and then 2v7, 3v6, 4v5. In the East/West, it's 2v3 and the winner plays 1, and then the West has 1v4 and 2v3.

And the goal is to always give #1 and #2 in the NPI (formerly PWR) a bye, but if location restrictions would mean giving a bye to a team would make an uneven/impossible bracket, it's not guaranteed. Like this year, if Aurora was #2, they still would probably not get a bye because there's no way to play a 4-team West bracket with a bye
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Ok thanks for the quick answer and info !

I did know they put the west teams in their own bracket but I had no idea they could push western upstate New York teams into the west if needed. So do they also try to put these East/West teams together if possible? (Explaining why you have a 3 team bracket that is just them)
 
IJustLost said:
Ok thanks for the quick answer and info !

I did know they put the west teams in their own bracket but I had no idea they could push western upstate New York teams into the west if needed. So do they also try to put these East/West teams together if possible? (Explaining why you have a 3 team bracket that is just them)
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Yeah the East/West bracket exists if it has to, but it's not required.

In this case, Geneseo and Hobart are within 500 miles of Trine, and moving those teams to their own quadrant makes the East and West quadrants make more sense
 
Pioneer247 said:
Yeah the East/West bracket exists if it has to, but it's not required.

In this case, Geneseo and Hobart are within 500 miles of Trine, and moving those teams to their own quadrant makes the East and West quadrants make more sense
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I see. Thanks again !
 
It's annoying to see Aurora move up in the NPI after a bye week, while St Norbert beat the team that knocked Aurora out but managed to stay stuck at #5.
 
Tom Coughlin said:
It's annoying to see Aurora move up in the NPI after a bye week, while St Norbert beat the team that knocked Aurora out but managed to stay stuck at #5.
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There was a sizeable gap between the top 4 in the NPI and St Norbert/Geneseo prior to this weekend. I think it was a 2 point difference if I remember, which is far too large to make up in 1 game.
 
JSicedog said:
There was a sizeable gap between the top 4 in the NPI and St Norbert/Geneseo prior to this weekend. I think it was a 2 point difference if I remember, which is far too large to make up in 1 game.
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Yep. Still frustrating considering St Norbert is 2-0 against Aurora.
 
Tom Coughlin said:
Yep. Still frustrating considering St Norbert is 2-0 against Aurora.
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It feels like now that we've seen a season with the NPI, it's at least safer to say that the NPI weighs bad losses more heavily than it would a good win

That 3 week stretch for St. Norbert losing to Stout, Concordia and MSOE was a killer to their NPI and Aurora just didn't have a bad loss on their resume
 
No changes in bids/NPI to report on, so this will more likely than not be the bracket we see tomorrow morning

CNE: Curry (1)
MAC: Stevenson (19)
MASCAC: Fitchburg (49)
MIAC: Gustavus (30)
NCHA: St. Norbert (5)
NEHC: Hobart (2)
NESCAC: Hamilton (9)
SUNYAC: Oswego (16)
UCHC: Geneseo (6)
WIAC: Eau-Claire (40)

At-Large:

Aurora (3)
Utica (4)
Trine (7)
UNE (8)

First Round:

Trine @ Geneseo
Eau-Claire @ Aurora
Gustavus @ St. Norbert
Fitchburg @ Utica
Stevenson @ UNE
Oswego @ Hamilton

Quarterfinals:

Oswego/Hamilton @ Curry
Trine/Geneseo @ Hobart
Gustavus/St. Norbert @ Eau-Claire/Aurora
Stevenson/UNE @ Fitchburg/Utica
 
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Tom Coughlin said:
Yep. Still frustrating considering St Norbert is 2-0 against Aurora.
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I hear you, and I'm very frustrated that the D-3 mafia has obfuscated the process, just as in the Smoky Room era.

Those numb-skulls hate transparency, evidently, because that will force them to be accountable. (Ironically, that's exactly what they rail against, inside The Beltway.)

We all all making the rope to hang ourselves, and sitting around gathering wool on our days off.
 
Fishman'81 said:
I hear you, and I'm very frustrated that the D-3 mafia has obfuscated the process, just as in the Smoky Room era.

Those numb-skulls hate transparency, evidently, because that will force them to be accountable. (Ironically, that's exactly what they rail against, inside The Beltway.)

We all all making the rope to hang ourselves, and sitting around gathering wool on our days off.
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What in the hell are you talking about? The process is more transparent now than it has ever been. Everyone knows who is in before the bracket is announced. To compare it to the smoky room era is laughable. Then again laughable people come up with laughable hypotheses.
 
Another line of thought: The only fair way to run this thing is to limit participation to conference playoff champions only. If a team cannot even win their own conference tournament, what makes them think they deserve an opportunity to be more?
 
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