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2024 Pairwise and Tournament Qualification Thread

chatster said:
Fun Fact: According to College Hockey News, eight of the eleven youngest teams in Division One are in the Tournament -- BC, Denver, BU, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Cornell, Minnesota and Michigan, along with the oldest team in Division One, RIT. LINK
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WHAT?!?!?! I've been told over and over that older players are an unfathomable advantage that can't be overcome!
 
The NCAA is shooting themselves in the foot scheduling games on Easter weekend. Not only do they lose fans because of family obligations but they again compete with the sweet 16 in basketball for fans attention. I know they think that weekends are better for attendance but by making a day off between they already take it one day out of the weekend. Why not play it on a Monday/Tuesday with locality getting more preference whereby you don't compete for fans. Better yet they could have gone to the following weekend this year with few basketball games to compete with. I know that it would give little time for fans to make arrangements but the Frozen 4 is essentially sold out anyway. They could sell combination hotel and game ticket packages to the participating schools by blocking off hotel rooms for them. There is a way it can be done with proper planning.
 
With Maryland Heights being deemed acceptable I can't wait for BC or BU to submit a bid to host in the Warrior Ice Arena!
 
J.D. said:
With Maryland Heights being deemed acceptable I can't wait for BC or BU to submit a bid to host in the Warrior Ice Arena!
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Canisius cannot host in the Harbor Center, the Sabres practice facility as it is their home rink but Niagara could.
 
J.D. said:
https://www.stubhub.com/ncaa-d1-mens...34/?quantity=2

Cheap tickets available!!!
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LOL StubHub rates the get-in price of $575 an "Amazing" deal and $1380 for a pair in the 10th row as "Great" Someone just paid $1725 for 5th row. The speculators who bought all the tickets last week are making money hand over fist.

Edit: That's just for Friday?!? There are no full session tickets available. Good lord.
 
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BC/HE said:
The NCAA is shooting themselves in the foot scheduling games on Easter weekend. Not only do they lose fans because of family obligations but they again compete with the sweet 16 in basketball for fans attention. I know they think that weekends are better for attendance but by making a day off between they already take it one day out of the weekend. Why not play it on a Monday/Tuesday with locality getting more preference whereby you don't compete for fans. Better yet they could have gone to the following weekend this year with few basketball games to compete with. I know that it would give little time for fans to make arrangements but the Frozen 4 is essentially sold out anyway. They could sell combination hotel and game ticket packages to the participating schools by blocking off hotel rooms for them. There is a way it can be done with proper planning.
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Maybe because so few real fans of hockey could not care less about squeekball? (I was a three year starter in college squeekball, but I cannot stand watching the game)
 
Scarlet said:
Are there parameters in place for hosting a regional? I thought there was one with regards to arena size
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From the 2027-28 NCAA regional site selection process informational packet:

1 Conditions and Availability.
b. The facility must be modern, clean and accessible and must have at least 5,000 seats. Playing conditions must meet NCAA regulations and must be of championship caliber.

I didn't find the packet for 2023-24, but I've seen it and it was the same.

Sean
 
Numbers said:
By the way.....CC misses because they lost to Augustana on October 28. A bad loss. They would have been a #3 otherwise.
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Well, that Augustana loss was within CC's control. But here's something that wasn't: On Feb 23, Western Michigan got an OTW against St Cloud in a game which the Huskies got robbed of a go-ahead goal with about 1 minute to play in regulation. EVERY angle showed that the WMU goaltender caught the puck in the air behind the goal line (a great save...). But common sense did not prevail in the review of the potential goal because 'losing sight of the puck' was applied. The puck was in the glove. The overhead camera showed the glove (and wrist) to be behind the goal line. But no goal. Go to the Pairwise Customize gadget and change the WMU OTW to a St Cloud regulation win and it moves CC from 15 to 14 (and in the NCAA), and Western from 13 to 16 (and no NCAA).

I feel bad for CC - feel they are a deserving team.
 
ticapnews said:
Except I literally just showed you a previous example of that exact thing happening. #1 played #14 while #2 played #37. This a rule the NCAA has consistently followed for decades.

Is there a reason this is suddenly a problem this season?
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Yeah - it was a bad idea then too, as was screamed about at the time, by all the same people. You could go back and find articles from that year where the same thing was being said.
 
Over the years one of my biggest problems with the PWR has been how you end up with Western in the field to begin with. Specifically in how they get in over other NCHC teams. Western finished in 6th place and got swept at St. Cloud in playoffs but still get in over CC and St. Cloud. I know it's math but that in-conference dynamic of the PWR has always bugged me.
 
J.D. said:
Over the years one of my biggest problems with the PWR has been how you end up with Western in the field to begin with. Specifically in how they get in over other NCHC teams. Western finished in 6th place and got swept at St. Cloud in playoffs but still get in over CC and St. Cloud. I know it's math but that in-conference dynamic of the PWR has always bugged me.
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Lost in three in the playoffs, not swept.
 
I was just curious what the bracket would look like with next year's sites/hosts to see if we would have similar problems:

Manchester, NH:

1. BC
2. Wisconsin
3. Quinnipiac
4. Michigan Tech

Allentown, PA:

1. BU
2. Minnesota
3. Omaha
4. RIT

Fargo:

1. Denver
2. North Dakota
3. Michigan
4. UMass

Toledo:

1. Michigan State
2. Maine
3. Cornell
4. Western Michigan

Only change that would be tempting is flipping Michigan and Cornell. Allentown would be pretty empty. Denver gets UMass in a more favorable location although still not too favorable for them overall.
 
J.D. said:
Over the years one of my biggest problems with the PWR has been how you end up with Western in the field to begin with. Specifically in how they get in over other NCHC teams. Western finished in 6th place and got swept at St. Cloud in playoffs but still get in over CC and St. Cloud. I know it's math but that in-conference dynamic of the PWR has always bugged me.
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I always like looking at KRACH ratings when the tourney comes out to see what would've changed under another model. Western would be out and CC would be in. The regions would look a lot different too, it'd look something like below

Providence:
BC vs. Michigan Tech
Minnesota vs. QU

Springfield
BU vs. RIT
Wisconsin vs. Umass

Maryland Heights
Denver vs. Cornell
ND vs Michigan

Sioux Falls
Michigan State vs CC
Maine vs. Omaha
 
J.D. said:
Over the years one of my biggest problems with the PWR has been how you end up with Western in the field to begin with. Specifically in how they get in over other NCHC teams. Western finished in 6th place and got swept at St. Cloud in playoffs but still get in over CC and St. Cloud. I know it's math but that in-conference dynamic of the PWR has always bugged me.
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More than anything, it's bad losses. WMU didn't have any, CC and St. Cloud did.

St. Cloud played 8 of 10 out of conference games against CCHA teams, a pretty terrible conference, and went 4-4. Colorado lost at home to Augustana and went 0-1-1 at home against ASU. Those are killers, especially at home.

CC also went something like 7-1 on OT, and also had some shootouts. Thus, their win loss record looked a lot better than what their PWR says it is.
 
Out of curiosity, and I get it's not really apples to apples, how are the opening rounds of the NCAA basketball tournament done? Are schools hosts like in hockey? Has there ever been an issue with seeding due to a lower seed that had to play in an arena as the host?
 
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