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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

Funny thing just came in the mail- there are some proposals in the city election, which we've not really looked into a lot, but had some idea.

But an r mailing told us exactly what to do!

The mailer has dumpy on it and how he wants us to vote. So we do opposite. Very easy.

Thank you "Making Michigan Great" PAC.

These people are so dumb.

r's are not elected in this city for a reason. Mostly because you are not serious candidates and offer nothing, but now that you are siding with the idiot that wants to destroy the country, just more reason.
 
MichVandal said:
Funny thing just came in the mail- there are some proposals in the city election, which we've not really looked into a lot, but had some idea.

But an r mailing told us exactly what to do!

The mailer has dumpy on it and how he wants us to vote. So we do opposite. Very easy.

Thank you "Making Michigan Great" PAC.

These people are so dumb.

r's are not elected in this city for a reason. Mostly because you are not serious candidates and offer nothing, but now that you are siding with the idiot that wants to destroy the country, just more reason.
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You sound like you are in a cult.
 
Handyman said:
Call me when Politico isn't run by German Right Wingers...

Its early voting everything is running weird right now. It is fun and frustrating to try and watch "analysts" break down why numbers are the way they are based on one specific stat. Like a story I saw out of NC where "Republicans are early voting in higher numbers" but the breakdown was 1/3 GOP, 1/3 Dem, 1/3 Unaffiliated. They seemed to ignore the 3rd group or what it might mean it was just doom and gloom over the other 2/3rds. Then they pivoted to saying its because Rural Black Voters havent voted yet in numbers expected because of the Trans stuff with no real evidence to back it up. I wonder if there might be other reasons rural voters in North Carolina might be having issues early voting...not to mention there was no mention of gender breakdown in any way.

(I havent seen anything out of Nevada because I am not actively looking for anything and never open my SM apps)

It is weird that women are being ignored so heavily and part of that is how they vote historically. Despite at least the last 4 cycles proving that trying to use historical trends means you are going to be off significantly they all still seem to be going with the historical trends to try to predict something that is not predictable. I mean it is one thing for us to play that game but pundits and professional pollsters should be over that stuff by now. Previous trends don't matter anymore this election is weird and upside down. There is just no way to know the effect certain issues will have on getting people out or voting one way or the other. Assuming low propensity voters will come out (they are low propensity for a reason) or that certain demographics will stay loyal and true is impossible at this point. Even party affiliation isn't really a reliable indicator right now because of the various issues. I get there is a need to fill content and scare the bejesus out of the voters on every side but this stuff amounts to trying to explain who will win a game 2 weeks out when we don't know who will even be playing for each team, what the weather will be like, what the conditions of the stadium will be or how the games in the interim will play out. Weird to watch.
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People are anxious and a bit scared about the election so they’re trying to find some good news, and the media just wants clicks.

This is starting to feel a bit like 2016 but in reverse. All the pollsters and media are overly focused on trying to account for Dump’s voting bloc that they’re missing a key group.
 
Even John Kelly pulled out the Conservatives don't like what happened under the Biden administration.

What happened that was so terrible? I can't see anything. He didn't fundamentally change anything about the country. Meanwhile Trump is out to destroy it.

Kamala hasn't proposed anything that would destroy the country. If she did, Kinzinger and Cheney wouldn't support her.

I am so tired in a center right leaning country to hear the right crying all the fucking time about how they don't get their way, and what Democrats do destroys their way of life. Meanwhile Dobbs has fundamentally changed women's lives in a more drastic, dastardly way than anything the Democrats have done since post FDR.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Even John Kelly pulled out the Conservatives don't like what happened under the Biden administration.

What happened that was so terrible? I can't see anything. He didn't fundamentally change anything about the country. Meanwhile Trump is out to destroy it.

Kamala hasn't proposed anything that would destroy the country. If she did, Kinzinger and Cheney wouldn't support her.

I am so tired in a center right leaning country to hear the right crying all the ****ing time about how they don't get their way, and what Democrats do destroys their way of life. Meanwhile Dobbs has fundamentally changed women's lives in a more drastic, dastardly way than anything the Democrats have done since post FDR.
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You sound like you are in a cult.
 
Jimjamesak said:
People are anxious and a bit scared about the election so they’re trying to find some good news, and the media just wants clicks.

This is starting to feel a bit like 2016 but in reverse. All the pollsters and media are overly focused on trying to account for Dump’s voting bloc that they’re missing a key group.
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Yeah I agree with all of this. Ironically Alex Jones seems to have figured it out by accident when he sent one of his tools to the University of South Carolina to interview women on who they sets voting for and all of them said Abortion is their top issue and all but 1 said Harris without hesitation. (The 1 was undecided until Abortion was brought up) The two best were the one who corrected how he said Harris' name and the one who said in response to his sarcastic "so you love her huh" comment "this is an election I don't have to love anyone it's about issues" or something similar.

It also feels like this is a bit of 2022 where the media believed that "crime" was the #1 issue but never really liked first into anything becausec polling backed it up.

I will say, as much as I dislike the guy Harry Entin or whatever his name is on CNN at least is trying to find other threads. His breakdown of Trump's losing steam with uneducated White Men was solid. No idea of his numbers are real but his analysis was pretty good. The guy is still up his own arse though and I don't trust him. Honestly I don't trust much right now it's all hypothetical.
 
The one thing I can see holding ground in Suburbia is gonna be the Cost of Living remaining high over the last few years. And the blame for that for many is directed at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. instead of Wall Street.

And Harris has openly pushed that she wants to go after the corporate greed if elected. It's just a matter of if she can get the lightbulb to go off in those that are hardwired to vote R.
 
Handyman said:
Call me when Politico isn't run by German Right Wingers...

Its early voting everything is running weird right now. It is fun and frustrating to try and watch "analysts" break down why numbers are the way they are based on one specific stat. Like a story I saw out of NC where "Republicans are early voting in higher numbers" but the breakdown was 1/3 GOP, 1/3 Dem, 1/3 Unaffiliated. They seemed to ignore the 3rd group or what it might mean it was just doom and gloom over the other 2/3rds. Then they pivoted to saying its because Rural Black Voters havent voted yet in numbers expected because of the Trans stuff with no real evidence to back it up. I wonder if there might be other reasons rural voters in North Carolina might be having issues early voting...not to mention there was no mention of gender breakdown in any way.

(I havent seen anything out of Nevada because I am not actively looking for anything and never open my SM apps)

It is weird that women are being ignored so heavily and part of that is how they vote historically. Despite at least the last 4 cycles proving that trying to use historical trends means you are going to be off significantly they all still seem to be going with the historical trends to try to predict something that is not predictable. I mean it is one thing for us to play that game but pundits and professional pollsters should be over that stuff by now. Previous trends don't matter anymore this election is weird and upside down. There is just no way to know the effect certain issues will have on getting people out or voting one way or the other. Assuming low propensity voters will come out (they are low propensity for a reason) or that certain demographics will stay loyal and true is impossible at this point. Even party affiliation isn't really a reliable indicator right now because of the various issues. I get there is a need to fill content and scare the bejesus out of the voters on every side but this stuff amounts to trying to explain who will win a game 2 weeks out when we don't know who will even be playing for each team, what the weather will be like, what the conditions of the stadium will be or how the games in the interim will play out. Weird to watch.
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If you don’t follow him, Jon Ralston at The Nevada Independent has a blog he updates two or three times/day.
In a nutshell, rural turnout is way up, city turnout is even and/or down, leading to Republicans being ahead at this stage in early voting, rather than behind, which is where Republicans have been ever since The Reid Machine was created. Ralston is still providing plenty of caveats at this point, mainly that it’s still early.
 
Even if I did im not reading social media anyways unless sunshine lsome posts or send a link. I assume he knows the GOP is leading based on registration?

Good name to remember though if I decide to change my stance. :)
 
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I really should have booked a trip somewhere out of the country for the next 2 weeks...my anxiety is off the charts.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Even John Kelly pulled out the Conservatives don't like what happened under the Biden administration.

What happened that was so terrible?
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Sleepy Joe let all those spoiled whiny Commie kids out of their school debt, and passed it on to hard working patriotic 'Murican taxpayers
 
psych said:
What’s making you anxious?
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Nothing specifically...best way I can describe it is when you have a game for your favorite team or you have a huge test you have been psyching yourself up for months and preparing for and now the end is in sight and everything is riding on this and you can't focus or just turn your brain off and its driving you nuts!

Plus, as I said to my SO earlier today...as someone who is a student and teacher of history (and someone who has this type of trauma in his DNA because of how he was raised...ya know as a Jew) I have just seen this movie before and it is just feels like we are on a runaway train. there is a line in the movie Wargames when all hope was lost and the end was near and Matthew Broderick says "I wish I didn't know about any of this, and tomorrow it would all just be over" and sometimes that is just how I feel.

It sucks caring so much :)
 
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