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2024 Election Thread

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Crime down, job creation up, inflation under control, mortgage interest rates coming down, infrastructure bill beginning to pay dividends, the worst pandemic in a century that killed over a million Americans fading into memory, many thousands more students having crippling debt wiped out, no actual scandals but plenty of simple, common decency... If the mainstream media was treating Biden like it treated virtually every major political party candidate for president between my birth and the 2012 election, he'd be so far ahead in the polls and cruising to an election night like LBJ , Tricky Dick or Uncle Ronnie enjoyed in 1964, 1972 or 1984 that no one would be paying attention to the election. But I guess that would mean no one would be tuning in and seeing all those ads....

Frankly, if trump prevails in November I might actually enjoy seeing some media types rounded up and hung. They would certainly deserve it.

Well to be fair, the polls would reflect it if people actually participated. I remember when the crapazz NYTimes poll came out where less people than show up to D-2 hockey games were supposedly representing all of America's voting tendencies (you know, the one that said Black Voters shifted like 20% towards Trump) the main critique I saw from stats people wasn't necessarily about how few responded, but how much work it likely took to find that many which is why it ended up skewed. It is almost a defense of the Times (and other polls) because it isn't that they are trying to skew it, but demographics make it that way because of the methodology.

And here is the thing, it is showing up all over the place not just in Biden's numbers. (which are the most affected obviously) In the primaries against Haley Trump would poll about 5-7% higher than he would end up receiving and the "will not vote for Trump" vote almost always ended up higher in exit polling (you know, actual people showing up not randos who were dumb enough to answer a blocked number) than it did in mainstream polling. Not just in Iowa where you could blame the weather, not just in NH where Nikki Haley was closer to what the average GOP voter supports than Trump...but almost across the board. The polling was off by that margin quite a bit which lends to the theory it is not a coincidence.

The problem is (just like last year, just like in 2022 and almost every election since Trump won in 216 actually) that the media is not compensating for this discrepancy. (aggregate sites do a better job but even they are a bit behind in their weighting of specific polls which is to be expected) They don't look at the poll and dissect it, they don't use caveats or maybe counteract the findings with interviews of Democratic or Independent voters who are often under-represented in the sampling and they never actually look at what the questions ask and how the follow ups go. For example, and I have used this one before but it is a perfect encapsulation of the problem, in 2022 leading up to the Midterms every poll asked about crime. The majority of respondents across the spectrum were worried about it...and so the media ran with "Polling Shows Crime an Issue For Democrats in the Coming Midterms" or talked about how it is an issue weighing Biden down. The problem is, the next question was usually "do you blame the Dems" or "Who do you hold responsible" and the majority did not blame Biden or the Dems. (still dont btw) Stats people were screaming to high heaven about that for weeks on Twitter and all sorts of non-corporate media but no one listened because it ruined the Red Wave narrative. We saw how that played out. Then the same thing happened last year and you had pundits openly wondering, without a hint of irony, why do they keep getting it wrong? Now even the stats guys like Dave Weigel seem to be bending to narratives because it is the only way to get traction. Its friggin ridiculous.

And will get worse...by June "Minnesota Will Be in Play" according to the geniuses and Trump will probably have an average of 3-4 points on Biden because...reasons. (unless something catastrophic happens) Meanwhile people who actually talk to voters outside of diners in Cousinphucking, Kentucky or Fentanylville, Ohio will see its all BS.
 
Kristi Noem gets her teeth capped, Elise Stefanik is trying to shed her post-baby weight, and Tim Scott is all set to marry his beard. What a wild and whacky contest it is to be Dump's running mate this time around.
 
Absolutely love how she sh*t on her entire state by having the work done in Texas when there are (likely) equally qualified dentists in her home state who could have done the same work.

Probably combined with a tryst with her alleged side piece, Corey Lewandowski.
 
Basically the R's are conceding any down-ballot races in areas that have the slightest hint of purple.

I've said it before and I'll say it again here: It's mind-boggling how short-sided the view of the R's is here. They're all in on the Presidential race. Now it just comes down to making them pay for this.
 
It's only short sighted if your goal is to be the last President in American history.

They know it's the final boss. No need to save potions and buffs for use later.

I'd say I'm hopefully this is the end of the official Republican Party, but Twinkies and cockroaches.
 
They know it's the final boss. No need to save potions and buffs for use later.

I'd say I'm hopefully this is the end of the official Republican Party, but Twinkies and cockroaches.

If this gambit doesn't work, it will take a lot of luck for the GOP as we know it to survive. They sold out, and hard, and alienated a lot of their OG base (and donors!) in favor of this anti-authoritarian nutbar base that honestly hates them unless they are 150% behind Dear Leader. They made a death pact with Trump and his League of Extraordinary Hate Mongers and there is no way to get that stink off. Either they end The Republic or they drown from the anchor attached to their foot.

And to their credit the Dems have played them into that corner a lot faster than expected. Ending Roe was the spark that lit the fire, but they had been filling a room with cans of gas for years now and keep adding more. They are making sure the the "sensible" GOP candidates lose in any race that might be a battleground so that the choice is a Dem or a full on nutbar. The success rate on this has been rather staggering. And it is not only paying dividends at the ballot box but it is creating chaos in the caucus itself. The issues int he House are almost all because the crazies have enough power to override the rest which is forcing almost all of the GOPers who aren't full on loonbats to retire. What was already one of the most worthless and hated Congresses in the modern era has been backsliding worse every day since January 2023. And now the big Impeachment that was supposed to destroy Biden and make Trump a lock...is DOA. There will be no vote...so the one thing they were doing was an epic failure live on TV.

I honestly don't see a way the GOP stays together if November goes sideways. If Biden wins and the Dems take the House back (I will leave the Senate out of this for now) I think a lot of the "Koch Wing" of the Party will look elsewhere. It is already starting to happen with voters (if polling is to be believed which as we know is spotty) and people like Nikki Haley who have no future in that party are going to need a place to go. And of course the Trump Wing will let them go...
 
Currently they pull 46% of the population. But those numbers are going to go off a cliff anytime now as a large portion of their voting base dies off.

R's aren't bringing in any significant amount of "new blood".
 
Currently they pull 46% of the population. But those numbers are going to go off a cliff anytime now as a large portion of their voting base dies off.

R's aren't bringing in any significant amount of "new blood".

Everyone is so hopeful that they'll demo out, but the more I think about it the more I don't think that will happen for decades and decades. Maybe 50+ years. They've still got hard supermajorities in the SEC and most of the Midwest. 2020 saw them get the second highest vote for a presidential candidate ever, only behind Biden. and millennials and GenX both outnumber boomers now. So even if you factor that in, there's a huge swath of younger America that still votes R.

Just looked up the numbers. Dems hold a 1-point lead with 45-64, a 7-point lead for 30-44, and it's finally the 18-29 demo where Dems hold a 27-point lead.

So like I said, this turd isn't just going to get magically flushed overnight. We're 20-30 years away from GenX being permanently unregistered. 50 years from millennials dropping to third. Even the RNC fracture is at least a full cycle away, which doesn't mean the conservatives go away. It just means we have GOP and GOP+. Which will obviously start to accelerate things and cause the superpacs to start to fight a two-front war.

The Dems aren't getting any more conservative. So it's not like the Koch money is going elsewhere. What are they going to do? They might pick off a few DINOs but nothing substantial.
 
I disagree. They still pull 46% of the population. They'll be fine just not quite what they were even ten years ago.

That isn't how population demographics work. You need to replenish your stock or you go by way of the dodo. Gen-X, Millennial and Gen Z are trending the wrong way and fast for them. Despite what bad polling says (I am sure lots of twenty-somethings answer unsolicited phone calls!) they are not making any headway into it and in fact, because of how women are shifting, they are losing ground faster than before. Every Boomer that dies is a bad sign for them. I know Bill Maher wants to believe that young men are going more conservative but actual voter information says otherwise. Then again I am pretty sure he believes some people identify as cats and use litterboxes...

Not to mention, we have no clue how things will look in November. We are all hedging, assuming that all the current and most of the now former GOP members will come home when beckoned. Truth is though right now it isn't looking that way if you listen to what former GOP officials are saying. Not Ken Buck who just left, but the ones who left a while back and have never gone home. People like Michael Steele the former chair and his ilk who will never vote for the current incarnation of the GOP on the national level. (I am sure he still does locally) People like Joe Scarborough or Nicole Wallace (yes I know I named 3 MSNBC people so they have a grift going obviously...one that works better with Trump in office FWIW) who spend all their time now praising the same Democrats they used to vilify. Hell you have that clown Moreno in Ohio saying people like that should vote Democrat and not for him in his race. This is not a winning strategy, your base cant just be people who would kill you if they feel you are not 150% loyal. Trump is doing this too, he has yet to even pretend to reach out to the DeSantis or Haley voters...and he needs them to have any chance in November. Much like in Congress, they need 100% buy in or they are sunk. That is why you are seeing people retire. 10 years ago a guy like Buck would be considered the fringe...now he is too far to the left for the fringe. Mike Johnson, a guy who helped create the plan to overthrow the election, is at risk of ouster for just trying to keep the lights on at the Capitol. A person with the last name Cheney was not Republican enough for these people...her family owned that party especially in Wyoming where she lost. Where is Paul Ryan these days...that guy was supposed to be the future...

If they don't win in November they might not get another bite for a while which is why some rats are leaving the sinking ship. Grievance Politics can work in the short term but in the long term if you aren't at least giving your voters something to vote for they will find someone that will. Plenty of people can vote to cut taxes without all of the baggage. It is quite possible if Speaker Johnson cuts a deal on Ukraine Aid we will see MTG really call the question (right now it is closer to a threat) and if that happens...well its even money Jeffries gets it because the GOP has no margin for error and they will not agree on someone. This after a failed 14 month Impeachment Investigation and literally doing nothing since taking power. 46% will be the high water mark and a steady decline will be unavoidable. That is why they are doing what they are doing. This strategy only works if they win in November. They want November to be the last election...they aren't even pretending otherwise. They laid their cards on the table...they want a dictator, they want a Christian Nation, they want women seen as breeding crop, they want education to be gutted and privatized, they want to end all aspects of the social safety net and they want Brown People out of here. And that ain't hyperbole, that is what they say publicly. No more dog whistles, no more winking and nudging...they have dinner and photo ops and raise money based on this stuff. That is all fine and good but 46% of this country is not angry old white males.
 
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