Or maybe hope that this Olympics is the last they will see of Poulin.
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2022 Olympic Games
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Or maybe hope that this Olympics is the last they will see of Poulin.
I thought the article on ESPN.com about "no silver lining, just a silver medal" was a bit mean spirited. Yes, there does appear that a small gap has developed between the US and Canada, but I'm not sure what the point of the article was other than to take a kick at the US Women's team less than 24 hours after losing gold medal game 3-2. They lost the prelim game 4-2 so I'm not sure I see the chasm that the article was insinuating.
robertearle
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Would you like to mention a few names?
Knight is the oldest on the roster, and in four years she'll be 36 years old, so more likely than not won't be playing. But she was hardly the problem last night.
The next three oldest are Bozek, Decker and Kessel. Kessel had the other goal besides Knight's, and their AP article this morning was trying to sell the idea that if Decker had not been injured, the whole tournament might have ended differently. A plausible argument. They'll all be 34, more or less, next time.
After that come Rigsby-Cavallini and Coyne-Schofield. Then Hannah Brandt. Then Carpenter and Stecklein.
To come at it the other way, US had five players born in 1999 or later, Canada only two.
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MAHOCKEY FAN
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so not sure i get it...you centralize and pick your best team....then 2 of D hardly play after the round robin (1 min for #4) and #9 playing only 6:57 in the final. ...did you pick wrong? Means you mostly played 4 D. gotta have 6 D minimum to win a tournament like this. Compare to canada....7 D, 6 played in final game....with 6th playing 11+ min. all this time...pick people who can contribute the whole tournament. Dont pick younger players for experience if you are not going to play them. (apologies if all wrong and people were injured) .
Having said that...Congrats to our northern neighbors! it was fun to watch
Having said that...Congrats to our northern neighbors! it was fun to watch
Canada’s trust in its forward depth and young D was a thing to behold.
Troy Ryan is a head coach at I think Dalhousie in Canada, I know little about USports but have to imagine that program will climb. Because he did a great job, alongside Derraugh and Domenico.
Poulin ——- what on earth? Is there any comparable?
Troy Ryan is a head coach at I think Dalhousie in Canada, I know little about USports but have to imagine that program will climb. Because he did a great job, alongside Derraugh and Domenico.
Poulin ——- what on earth? Is there any comparable?
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Knight was their best F, I hope she does not digress that much over the next 4 years to the point where she won't be an asset.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
The US needs to get more defensive D that get the puck and move it quickly to the right spot tape to tape in the scheme to breakout, physically disrupt the opposing players in the D zone vs just being next to them and don't take too many chances on the other end, or really don't take any at all. I think the ratio of defensive to offensive D should be 4 to 2. Who would we call a pure defensive D on the roster from last night?
robertearle
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Not to minimize the injury or its effects, but reporting around ligament injuries, particularly MCL, is often confused and misleading. "Tear" and "sprain" can get used to describe the same level of injury, even though our reaction to the words is quite different. The description in the USA Today article of "no surgery needed" for an injury suffered on Jan 14 probably means roughly a grade II strain/tear. Some swelling, some instability, maybe four weeks to heal. Quarterbacks will pretty regularly play with grade II sprains, albeit with more limited mobility and braces, etc. A full tear, grade III, would most likely have required surgery.
Offsides Guy
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I did not hear anything about an injury to Rooney which makes me wonder how much she must’ve been struggling in practice to cause the coaches to play Cavallini even though Cavallini was injured.
Offsides Guy
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I would’ve liked to have seen Zumwinkle get more playing time as I think, like so many players, she gets stronger and stronger the more she plays in a game. Also would’ve been interesting to see Taylor Heise or Gabbie Hughes there for their scoring prowess instead of Murphy. I think those two older players might’ve brought more offensive power than Murphy (a pick I didn’t understand in the first place).
I think Britta Curl should have made the squad initially instead of being the last cut. She is a physical player who isn't afraid to dig in the corners and provide traffic out front. Too many of the US shots on Desbiens were fairly easy. Not much traffic in front to disrupt her. I think Curl could have provided some of that. Really too bad when they tried to add Britta after Decker went down that she tested positive for Covid on her way to China, a place she should have been when the Olympics started.
FiveHoleFrenzy
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Not to you...
And besides, you went over it yourself so you should just stick with that. Or not ICCL.
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robertearle
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ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Stecklein has been considered to play D first throughout her HS and college career, and IMO, she still does. Keller, Barnes, Harmon, Bozek, and Dunne are all more apt to look to create offensively; haven't watched Harvey enough to say where she slots in.
Is there some defensive D in the NCAA who would have made a big difference? So many of the top-end NCAA D are either offensive (e.g. Fontaine) or Canadian (e.g. Jaques, although she can obviously contribute offensively).
FiveHoleFrenzy
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I'll try to be clearer. I don't care to get into a discussion with individuals like you (or TimothyA) who have a bias towards badger players and ex badgers players about Team USA. The same holds true for me as I have a bias towards Gopher players and ex Gopher players. That why I was very generic in what I said trying not to mention any players. It typically goes down a rabbit hole I don't care to go down.
And it's find if you want to discuss it (which is also what I mentioned in the second post)...I'll just take a pass on the discussion.
robertearle
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It's got nothing to do with Badger players or Gopher players.
You say it's time to move on from older players, you have to understand that somebody is gonna say "like who?".
But the way you put "move on from older players" makes it sound like you think that was at least part of why the US was beaten. And IMO, that was pretty clearly not the case, So I wondered if there was someone on the roster I wasn't thinking of, and so I looked.
Watching the game last night, I was cognizant of the idea/likelihood that we were watching Knight's last Olympic game. When it looked like the US was going to end up with only one goal, I was happy she was the one who got it. If you think that is simply because she was a Badger... well, that's your issue, I guess. To some extent, the 2022 roster did 'move on'; no more Meghan Duggan, no more Lams.
If yo want to "pass on the discussion", then don't start the discussion.
I think the concerning thing is the lack of young scorers on the US team. Knight and Kessel were the top 2 scorers. Presumably they won't be back in 4 years. I was really surprised that in the final 3 games in Beijing this team just could not score very easily. The Canadians have younger players in Nurse and Fillier that can score, who is that going to be for the US? I thought Abby Roque and Grace Zumwinkel would have bigger impacts. Having watched Roque for 4 yrs at LaBahn arena she has special talent. While she had opportunities and was great on faceoffs, the only goal she scored was an ENG.
When the Gophers played the Badgers, my eyes were always in Zumwinkle when she was on the ice because I feared her more than any other visiting player. Again her Olympics were so-so and I thought she should have been given more opportunity to be that additional scorer.
Lots can change in 4 years. We have a number of World Championships (1st one this August) first to see how the makeup of the 2 lineups are going to change.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
I agree. Was she healthy? I thought that she wasn't, but perhaps that was earlier.
Maybe Kacey Bellamy was one of those veterans from 2018 who was missed, as it didn't seem like she was effectively replaced.