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2020 Patty Kazmaier

Timothy A

Timothy A

Let's go RED!
I thought it would be fun to discuss the favorites as we approach the top 10 being released. Obviously Watts is there with a decent gap back to a scoring clump of Shirley/Giguere/Mueller/Roque/Maltius. I think goalie candidates are pretty much down to Frankel and Browning. I really don't see any D that are statistically dominant, but stats aren't everything, or are they?
 
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Timothy A said:
Obviously Watts is there with a decent gap back to a scoring clump of Shirley/Giguere/Mueller/Roque/Maltius.
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Points Per Game is typically a better starting point than raw points, as it is more fair to the Ivy League players and others who play fewer games. By that measure, the first clump after Watts becomes S. Shirley, Sarah Fillier, and Jaycee Gebhard, with Mueller and Giguère close behind.
 
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ARM said:
Points Per Game is typically a better starting point than raw points, as it is more fair to the Ivy League players and others who play fewer games. By that measure, the first clump after Watts becomes S. Shirley, Sarah Fillier, and Jaycee Gebhard, with Mueller and Giguère close behind.
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Interestingly, I think one could make a case that Wisconsin's MVP (at least so far) has been Roque, and not Watts.
 
Timothy A said:
I thought it would be fun to discuss the favorites as we approach the top 10 being released. Obviously Watts is there with a decent gap back to a scoring clump of Shirley/Giguere/Mueller/Roque/Maltius. I think goalie candidates are pretty much down to Frankel and Browning. I really don't see any D that are statistically dominant, but stats aren't everything, or are they?
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Stats mean nothing until you don't have any!
 
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robertearle said:
Interestingly, I think one could make a case that Wisconsin's MVP (at least so far) has been Roque, and not Watts.
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From what I've seen of each over the years, you'd get no argument from me, but the Kazmaier process has always liked numbers. It is harder to quantify factors such as helping a team win the possession or territorial battles.

One thing that I find interesting is that Giguère and Watts have the same number of career points (Giguère has played four additional games). It feels like Watts has been the more prolific, and she has been, except for last year.
 
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ARM said:
From what I've seen of each over the years, you'd get no argument from me, but the Kazmaier process has always liked numbers. It is harder to quantify factors such as helping a team win the possession or territorial battles.
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In between periods, they will show these "Ask The Badgers" videos, where they ask a question - more or less silly or otherwise intended to generate amusing answers - and show the players giving their answers. On Sunday, the question was something like "Who on the team would make the best 'superhero'?", and every player they showed answered "Roque".
 
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robertearle said:
Interestingly, I think one could make a case that Wisconsin's MVP (at least so far) has been Roque, and not Watts.
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I had the same exact thought when I was writing the original post. Roque is the MVP for UW (at least for now). Shirley and Roque are way more flashy, but Watts just racks up the apples and of course she can score. I have never seen as smooth a skater as Shirley. It's just crazy.
 
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ARM said:
Points Per Game is typically a better starting point than raw points, as it is more fair to the Ivy League players and others who play fewer games. By that measure, the first clump after Watts becomes S. Shirley, Sarah Fillier, and Jaycee Gebhard, with Mueller and Giguère close behind.
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Excellent point. It's dumb that all the schools don't play the same amount of games. Another reason to pick the wwcha I guess.
 
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Timothy A said:
Excellent point. It's dumb that all the schools don't play the same amount of games. Another reason to pick the wwcha I guess.
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Teams in the WCHA don't necessarily play the same number of games, either. Minnesota, in recent years, has typically scheduled exhibitions in place of one or two non-conference games. And if the Kazmeier voters are incapable of looking at stats on a per game basis, that's a clue that they probably can't analyze anything else without being stupid, either.
 
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robertearle said:
I hadn't really thought about it in these terms, but I'm a little surprised to look down the list and not see someone from Minnesota.
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Gophers have five players with at least 29 points, but none with more than 38.
 
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You're right; nobody was that close from UM. I think that next up from the WCHA would have been Gabbie Hughes.
 
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Giguere, Watts and Roque. Take your pick. I'm OK with any of the 3 winning although you know who I hope wins ;) . LGT
 
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vicb said:
Giguere, Watts and Roque. Take your pick. I'm OK with any of the 3 winning although you know who I hope wins ;) . LGT
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I've watched eight Wisconsin games. That, and a breakdown of which teams they've scored their goals against, strongly suggests that Roque is a much more important player to the Badgers than Watts is.
 
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Still Eeyore said:
I've watched eight Wisconsin games. That, and a breakdown of which teams they've scored their goals against, strongly suggests that Roque is a much more important player to the Badgers than Watts is.
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Lurker BADger fan, I like it. This is correct, but the uninformed voters won't/don't know this.
 
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