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2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

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These little media-packaged soundbites do not do these candidates, nor us, justice.

All of the candidates you blithely summarize to dismiss have depth. They all mix evil and good and strengths and weakness. Don't succumb to pundit idiocy. Not all cynicism is aphorism. Often it's laziness or applause-seeking. You're better than that. Leave that stuff to Rover.

Obama and Hillary were the final cartoon hero and villain. Now we are condemned to radically consider our candidates in full, which is a slow and messy process and doesn't grant social media likes. But the alternative is to keep skipping stones ironically with the idiots, never get to anything of substance, and consequently create a world where Dump and his paper-thin frauds have exactly the same merit and standing as our leaders -- as us, for that matter.

The lesson of 2016 is flippancy doesn't work anymore. Take heart; this is much worse news for me, a natural as-shole, than you, a sincere and good person.

Dude don’t even.

https://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?p=6788226#post6788226
 
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Wait. How does me wanting to jump some dippy, small-brained conservative's bones and then wash out my soul with Confessional Lye have any bearing on reducing our candidates to strawmen, er, people?

Also, dat face, tho. I'd like her to know my original intent.

Here, I'll find it for you:

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Oh here I thought we weren’t reducing anyone to strawwomen.
 
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Look, of course they are deeper than that. But I don’t have a lifetime to write biographies for each of them, evaluate them objectively, and then make a decision. If they can’t frame themselves as being more than a soundbite, maybe they just aren’t cut out for the job. This is politics, not curling. The smart people who aren’t evil are almost always going to vote for the best candidate. Unless we make sure the rest of the morons can take five minutes off from chewing on their shirt to vote for our candidate, we’re going to be smart and we’re going to be losers.

And sometimes, a single event does define a person. Just as ****ty as getting railroaded by an opportunist senator from New York.

For the record, I still I fully support Klobuchar for the presidency. I just don’t think we’re smart enough to get her there.
 
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LOL. Pretty sure I am more establishment than dx, though not as establishment as Rover or 5mn.

Hillary Clinton was the best and most qualified candidate for the office of president we have ever had. How’s that? ;) ;) ;)

Actually that’s the truth, she was just an incredibly shi-ty politician.

Though, I do think DWS and Donna Brazile were the worst thing to happen to Democrats since Zell Miller.

On the other hand, I do like Chris Matthews and I know you absolutely despise him. ;)
 
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I'm objectifying.

That's different.

found her. Kristen Soltis Anderson. And yes, as assumed, a Useful Idiot

Her entire career, of which you knew nothing minutes before, reduced to 71 characters. To be fair, that was two whole sentences more than I devoted to any of them.
 
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Then we better start electing some women with intelligence and personality to office AND shine the light on them. AOC might fire up the base, but she's a bomb-thrower and doesn't strike me as a leader... yet. Klobuchar is very bright, but has the personality of John Kerry. Gillibrand would feed her own dog to the wood chipper if it would get her elected. Warren is very smart, probably brilliant, but she's about as likeable as an eelpout. Speaking of slimy, there's also Kamala Harris, but she might have the chops. Sinema might be that person, I just don't know enough about her. Duckworth and Abrams are both entirely possible, but again, we just don't see enough of them.

There are a slew of bright women in the House, they just need the spotlight shined on them. I'm hoping party leadership does that in the next few years. I'm also hoping the members themselves take the opportunity to author legislation, give interviews on TV, and get their names out there.

I fully agree with the highlighted.

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Hillary Clinton was the best and most qualified candidate for the office of president we have ever had. How’s that?

Actually that’s the truth, she was just an incredibly shi-ty politician.


Me: I won't say EVER, but she was way more qualified than many before her.
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Hillary Clinton was the best and most qualified candidate for the office of president we have ever had. How’s that? ;) ;) ;)

Actually that’s the truth, she was just an incredibly shi-ty politician.

One of the better ones, but not the best. Go back to the 19th century, and there were dudes far more qualified than Hillary who won. Unfortunately, they turned out to be mediocre-at-best Presidents. Experience is not a predictor of success - Peter Principle.

In the 20th century, as far as sheer qualifications at the federal level, it's basically Bush 1 and no one else. Ike had foreign policy experience through his role as military commander, but he had zero political experience. An argument could maybe be made for Nixon, who was a Rep, Senator, and Veep (though he didn't spend a ton of time in the first two roles), but he lacked foreign policy experience prior to the Presidency (the "Kitchen Debate" was Cold War political theater, and does not count).

And yes, Chris Matthews is the left's Tucker Carlson.
 
One of the better ones, but not the best. Go back to the 19th century, and there were dudes far more qualified than Hillary who won. Unfortunately, they turned out to be mediocre-at-best Presidents. Experience is not a predictor of success - Peter Principle.

In the 20th century, as far as sheer qualifications at the federal level, it's basically Bush 1 and no one else. Ike had foreign policy experience through his role as military commander, but he had zero political experience. An argument could maybe be made for Nixon, who was a Rep, Senator, and Veep (though he didn't spend a ton of time in the first two roles), but he lacked foreign policy experience prior to the Presidency (the "Kitchen Debate" was Cold War political theater, and does not count).

And yes, Chris Matthews is the left's Tucker Carlson.

Y’all underestimate leadership and the ability to mobilize. It wasn’t named the bully pulpit for kicks.

Remember it is 1/3 of gov’ment.
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Her entire career, of which you knew nothing minutes before, reduced to 71 characters. To be fair, that was two whole sentences more than I devoted to any of them.

Yes, but we aren't potentially choosing her to be our nominee.

I'm not calling on people generally to abandon flippancy in judging our fellow humans generally, in a humanistic sense, because all humans are complex and nuanced beings precious in the sight of God. I'm neither strong nor wise enough for that. I'm lazy for one thing, and also a jerk. No, seriously. I've done quite a bit of research on the subject.

I'm calling on liberals specifically to abandon flippancy in publicly judging our potential nominees specifically, in a pragmatic sense, because otherwise we are going to get our keisters handed to us by the orcs. Again.
 
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Just to remind people, Trump settled what, 17 accusations of sexual harassment out of court, including credible charges of assault against both married and single women and girls, including paying a young girl a $$$ bonus to abort a living child.
Biden is a champion of women’s dignity next to Trump. There’s no comparison.
Unrelatedly, Klobuchar is a terrible candidate just because she despises other humans, and it shows. Read what people who know her well are saying. We don’t need another hatred candidate.
 
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LOL. Pretty sure I am more establishment than dx, though not as establishment as Rover or 5mn.

I'm establishment only in that I'm just not trying to enact an ideology - fascism nor socialism - for its own sake. I want the best for this country and it has a left lean to that but there is no single ideology that does it. Perhaps that's dx and Rover also.
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Yes, but we aren't potentially choosing her to be our nominee.

I'm not calling on people generally to abandon flippancy in judging our fellow humans generally, in a humanistic sense, because all humans are complex and nuanced beings precious in the sight of God. I'm neither strong nor wise enough for that. I'm lazy for one thing, and also a jerk. No, seriously. I've done quite a bit of research on the subject.

I'm calling on liberals specifically to abandon flippancy in publicly judging our potential nominees specifically, in a pragmatic sense, because otherwise we are going to get our keisters handed to us by the orcs. Again.

Fair enough. But we have to keep in mind, the morons outnumber us. The morons are both lefties and righties. If we can’t get the lefty morons to bother to vote and swing the independents, we will lose again. Unfortunately, studies show that 90%+ don’t pay a lick of attention to the election until the conventions. By then, you better be able to wrap your candidate up into a 140-character package or you’ve lost. That’s the society we live in today. Again, that doesn’t mean we can’t intelligently pick our candidate, we can. We just have to consider that morons also get to vote and they don’t take the time to understand the nuance.

But beyond that, I was talking more about the leadership of the party than the candidate. I hope our next leader is a strong woman who has that personality and intelligence that it takes to run an entire party.
 
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