2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

It might not be Clinton fatigue but establishment or "politics as usual" fatigue. I think Trump did just enough to generate excitement among his base and those that were upset with our current political system which mostly just caters to oligarchs. She ran on a completely out of touch "America is already great!" platform where as he ran a faux populist campaign that blamed the browns and Obama for all of our problems, a platform which got his base excited and gullible people who thought he was going to work for the little guy.

Again. That's only one of about 20. This isn't hard.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Again. That's only one of about 20. This isn't hard.

Nobody is saying it's the only factor, it's up there though. Her campaign strategists were hilariously inept.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Trump was the most unlikable candidate in recent memory, yet he won. Why? People were done with the other option: Clinton fatigue.

Nope. Three reasons Clinton lost:

1. She was effectively swiftboated by the GOP - you can't tell me that EMAILS! meant nothing to the campaign.
2. Wiki leaks releases of Clinton 'scandals' - which piled on to perceived the email travesty.
3. Comey's announcement right before the election that she broke the law (and then didn't) - Clinton lost enough support after that one announcement to cost her the election.

And remember she had the popular support to be our president after all that and supposed Clinton fatigue. The electoral college gave Trump the white house.

Edit: I'll never understand people. If 100k votes she got in CA, came in WI, PA and MI instead...the same people would be talking about Clinton as reasonably worthy and Trump as a candidacy joke.

 

[Rover]

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I think a lot of people thought they had elected a progressive in 2008.

So did I but apparently we'd elected a darker version of Newt Gingrich according to several left wing posters so I'm trying to find out who in history was actually acceptable. Looks like we're going back to 1944 (FDR's last re-election), which it should be noted then is a looooing losing streak for progressives.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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So did I but apparently we'd elected a darker version of Newt Gingrich according to several left wing posters so I'm trying to find out who in history was actually acceptable. Looks like we're going back to 1944 (FDR's last re-election), which it should be noted then is a looooing losing streak for progressives.

I'm saying that I think a large number of people elected someone who they thought would be a progressive. I think that represents evidence to the contrary of the theory that a progressive can't win because not enough people want to elect a progressive.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

I'm saying that I think a large number of people elected someone who they thought would be a progressive. I think that represents evidence to the contrary of the theory that a progressive can't win because not enough people want to elect a progressive.

What constitutes a "progressive" is the issue here. If Obama is still in fact a progressive, then yes. If it excludes anybody to the right of Bernie Sanders, then we'll most likely lose as that excludes too many voters. Dems need to win some combination of the following: PA, MI, WI, IA, VA, AZ, FL, NC - in order to win the WH. I ask again where are the acceptable progressives who've won statewide, and by that I mean someone in the Bernie mold, who have been elected in those states?

 

[GrinCDXX]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

What constitutes a "progressive" is the issue here. If Obama is still in fact a progressive, then yes. If it excludes anybody to the right of Bernie Sanders, then we'll most likely lose as that excludes too many voters. Dems need to win some combination of the following: PA, MI, WI, IA, VA, AZ, FL, NC - in order to win the WH. I ask again where are the acceptable progressives who've won statewide, and by that I mean someone in the Bernie mold, who have been elected in those states?

Personally, I'd accept a pretty wide range of candidates, though I'd prefer someone who pushes the progressive envelope just a bit. Just as long as they don't hide from the obvious truth that Republicans are scum.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Trump was the most unlikable candidate in recent memory, yet he won. Why? People were done with the other option: Clinton fatigue.

Certainly not unliked by republicans. The only republicans who did not like trump were either retiring senators or a handful of other senators not up for reelection in 2016 or 2018, and even those ones like his politics enough to vote with him 95% or more of the time. Fact is, republicans LOVE trump. republicans BELIEVE trump. republicans voters wish all their politicians were more LIKE trump (but of course will vote for them 99.999% of the time as long as they have the little "r" next to their name). This is all true because, fact is, republicans are mostly idiots. You parroting the phrase "Clinton fatigue" sounds exactly like when you throw around the phrase "the several states." You think it makes you sound intelligent and sophisticated. It really makes you sound pretentious and pompous.

 

[joecct]

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The GOP voted for tD because he was not Bush 3.0. The hot button issue was immigration and the wall. tD has yet to do anything about them, despite 3,000,000 tweets about them.

Maybe it was a Hail Mary to the GOP establishment to clean up your act otherwise we'll keep nominating anyone who is not a neoCon.

The establishment has not gotten the message.

tD hasn't either.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

The GOP voted for tD because he was not Bush 3.0. The hot button issue was immigration and the wall. tD has yet to do anything about them, despite 3,000,000 tweets about them.

Maybe it was a Hail Mary to the GOP establishment to clean up your act otherwise we'll keep nominating anyone who is not a neoCon.

The establishment has not gotten the message.

tD hasn't either.

Sure. A bunch of racists who don't like brown people made it an issue. Meanwhile the real issues in this country go unattended.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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It might not be Clinton fatigue but establishment or "politics as usual" fatigue. I think Trump did just enough to generate excitement among his base and those that were upset with our current political system which mostly just caters to oligarchs. She ran on a completely out of touch "America is already great!" platform where as he ran a faux populist campaign that blamed the browns and Obama for all of our problems, a platform which got his base excited and gullible people who thought he was going to work for the little guy.

This is 100% accurate.

, Booker-Gilibrand style DLC trash bag

That is such a perfect way to describe a ticket like that.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Voter suppression cost her Wisconsin. Her decision to not campaign hard in Wisconsin cost her Wisconsin. Neither of those two have anything to do with Clinton fatigue. She also did not campaign hard enough in PA or MI and instead chose to campaign much harder in Ohio, a state she would ultimately lose in a vote that wasn't particularly close. Again, nothing to do with Clinton fatigue, unless you are talking about her fatigue as she battled whatever it was that was making her cough uncontrollably and pass out. All of her trips to Ohio should have been divided up in the other three states I mentioned. Had she won those three, the world would be a better place and we would not have a mentally ill, white supremacist idiot for a president. She lost Ohio by 454,000 votes. She lost the other three states by a total of 102,000 or so. She lost due to things that she could have controlled. Clinton fatigue was waaaaaay down on the list and would have only actually mattered had your party put forth an actual qualified candidate.

Didn't GM just close a couple plants in Ohio? I wonder if any of those workers who voted R regret their votes now. I'll bet at least half don't.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

The GOP voted for tD because he was not Bush 3.0. The hot button issue was immigration and the wall. tD has yet to do anything about them, despite 3,000,000 tweets about them.

This is the most honest post in a political thread that I've seen from you in months.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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Mayor Pete was on Maher this week. I like him

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Mayor Pete was on Maher this week. I like him

I agree, my only issue with him at this point is that, politically, he's only ever been a mayor. But our current so-called POTUS has only ever been a spoiled playboy and publicity hound. So, mayor seems like an upgrade.

 

[French Rage]

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The fact that Mayor Pete can be openly gay shows you just how far we've come. Why, it was just earlier this decade that gay men in South Bend had to pretend to have fake dead girlfriends.

 

[Handyman]

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I like Mayor Pete but I am not sure he is the guy because he is kind of boring...not to mention the stuff that will be used to attack him by the Right will be awful. The amount of hatred for LGBT will rise at a faster rate than it did for Blacks/Jews/Muslims when Trump got elected. Not to mention Mayor Pete went to Harvard and Oxford and worked in the media for a bit. He is literally everything that they hate.

Dont get me wrong Mayor Pete is bright and articulate and can speak circles around pretty much anyone on any issue but I just dont see him giving the stirring speech that becomes a call to arms. And I really dont want to see how ugly the attacks on him will be. And lets not forget, if Trump is the fight back for Obama what would the clap back be for a Gay Man.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

The fact that Mayor Pete can be openly gay shows you just how far we've come. Why, it was just earlier this decade that gay men in South Bend had to pretend to have fake dead girlfriends.

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[The Rube]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Everyone to the left of George Bush is far left when you read conservative facebook memes all day like he clearly does.

Yep. That's it. I clearly do. I'm obviously Flaggy Jr, oh wise one.

That's why, right now, I'm backing Amy K. But keep on rolling, man. You know me to a T.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

You're backing one of the more conservative democrats who has zero chance of winning, boy that proved me wrong!