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2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

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joecct said:
Ah no. I disagreed with him on many (most?) of his policies/enactments particularly on federal overreach. But I did not exhibit the frothing at the mouth that many of the left are doing with the current administration.
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You never dropped the tepid teacup whereas we won't even go near the glowing hot ingot? Gads, sir; you have a point!

You have lost the power to detect, or care about, a threat as long as it gets you the policies and judges you want. Fine. But please try to bear with those of us who still understand what risk is.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Yeah he was great, we lost both houses and like half the state legislatures after his enormous success :rolleyes:
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Good process, bad result. Sometimes a fine leader draws a sh-tty country.
 
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Kepler said:
Good process, bad result. Sometimes a fine leader draws a sh-tty country.
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I liked a lot of his rhetoric and he had a great understanding of history and seems like a decent enough guy from a personal level. But I think there are plenty of valid critiques of his presidency and some of the regressive stuff he currently says doesn't pass the smell test in 2019.
Spartanforlife4 said:
It was the Boomers and other olds that gave us Trump, no?
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And the spectacular wisdom that brought us the loser on the other side.
 
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trixR4kids said:
And the spectacular wisdom that brought us the loser on the other side.
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Suffice that our nation deserved Dump. Fat, stupid, and selfish is no way to go through your world-historical epic. At least when the Brits were saddled with a twit like this it was an accident of birth. America on the other hand has run the world for 75 years and has wasted 25% of that time on Reagan, Dubya, and Dumpy. That's no way to run an empire.
 
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joecct said:
That is all on DWS. She focused 100% on DC and ignored the state races.
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538 ran an analysis that the Dems' Congressional and state leg losses during Obama were exactly average for all 8-year incumbencies.

And just 2 years in the Dems have already earned back most of the Congressional seats (even in the face of suppression and gerrymandering) and over 1/3 of the state leg seats.

Incumbents get destroyed down ballot in midterms. There are 2 midterms during a 2-term presidency. The re-election does not give the president a huge boost but merely stops the bleeding for a while. It's normal. It's nobody's "fault" because it is a regular, cyclical occurrence.
 
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Kepler said:
It's normal. It's nobody's "fault" because it is a regular, cyclical occurrence.
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I don't really buy that. We're working with a small sample and there are other factors that probably lead to that rather than it just being some unavoidable shift that can't possibly be counteracted. Like in Bush's case it was clearly due to an unpopular war, the economic crisis happened, and not to mention $5 gas. In Obama's case we've discussed how the early part of his presidency and the failure to get much done under a super majority probably had a lot to do with the 2010 midterms and everything that followed. Clinton got impeached obviously and that's on top of all the regressive stuff he did.

I think if we keep putting centrists in power who have no desire to actually make large changes and would rather pretend the current system works for the vast majority of people, then yes, that might be the case until we get a full on fascist who breaks our country completely. But we've seen presidents like FDR actually get real things done that benefited working class people and basically created the middle class, which restored people's faith in government as well.
unofan said:
And Bernie bros refusing to vote for Hillary.
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And the far greater number of Hillary voters who voted for McCain are just let off the hook because Obama wasn't a uniquely ****ty candidate (but we'll just conveniently ignore that).
 
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trixR4kids said:
And the far greater number of Hillary voters who voted for McCain are just let off the hook because Obama wasn't a uniquely ****ty candidate (but we'll just conveniently ignore that).
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The fact is with all the things that went wrong with her campaign and all the "reasons" you can list why she lost it's a damm miracle she was even in it at all. That's what makes it so painful. There are probably 10 solid reasons she lost and if the campaign had just flipped one of those reasons she would have been elected and the biggest turd on Planet Earth wouldn't be in charge of the most powerful country on Earth.

But, her campaign couldn't flip one of the 10.

And, yeah, I'm tired of the centrists myself. They never get anything done and the Republicans just keep running over them.
 
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And the far greater number of Hillary voters who voted for McCain are just let off the hook because Obama wasn't a uniquely ****ty candidate (but we'll just conveniently ignore that).
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Obama was far and away the best Democratic candidate in my lifetime thus far. The fact that you disparage him by ****ing with feint praise is ridiculous.
 
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unofan said:
Obama was far and away the best Democratic candidate in my lifetime thus far. The fact that you disparage him by ****ing with feint praise is ridiculous.
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Best President of my lifetime. And it's not even close. Sadly it's measured more on demeanor and ethics than anything else.
 
Kepler said:
So now you think he's worth listening to? :rolleyes:

Obama was a great president. I even think he'd be good in a knife fight. I'm not sure what he's doing here but I'm going to assume he knows more about optics than I do.
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He should have drank the water in flint.
 
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joecct said:
Ah no. I disagreed with him on many (most?) of his policies/enactments particularly on federal overreach. But I did not exhibit the frothing at the mouth that many of the left are doing with the current administration.
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Congrats on getting your judges. I'm sure it helps you sleep at night, as the most unqualified President in (at least) both of our lifetimes continues his flailing and fist-pounding, barely checked by a lily-livered Congress, and members of his own party that refuse to "do the needful".
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Best President of my lifetime. And it's not even close. Sadly it's measured more on demeanor and ethics than anything else.
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Obama was by far the best person to be president in over a hundred years. I doubt anybody else is in the same ballpark since Lincoln. His presidency was made less effective by the cowardice of his party and the outright psychosis of the other party.
 
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