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2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

In the general election? ;) Note i said swing voters needed to flip the state.... not democratic voters needed to win the democratic primary. Big difference...

Don't blame me, I voted for the Warmongress in the primary and the general. ;)
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

Editor's note: For obvious reasons I ran this past Miss Thundercat to get her blessing before I posted.

they're scared of socialism, "PC culture", and brown people.

I've been thinking about this all day. Something just hasn't sat right with me, and I finally figured out what. This is a coward's way of thinking.

A politician's job during a campaign is not to find the "safe ground" where people agree with them on the issues. A political campaign is about saying, "These are my principles. These are my beliefs. These are my policies. Now I'll convince you my beliefs and policies are better than my opponent's." It isn't just about finding people who agree with you, it's about finding people who may not agree with you and convincing them you're right.

Do you think the Civil Rights movement was Dr. King giving a speech in 1963 and then Congress just decided to pass the Civil Rights Act? Do you think a bunch of women turned up in 1919 and asked for the right to vote and magically the 19th Amendment was passed and ratified in 1920? Did women just start having abortions in 1973? Do you think the LGBT+ community just showed up in 2015 to ask for the right to get married and SCOTUS just decided it was OK? These are all long fights and most of them are still being waged to this day. That's what a campaign is. "My ideas are better than his ideas and this is why."

You say people are scared of "PC culture." What does that mean? That means treating people like human beings. All people. Not just some people. Not just people around whom you're comfortable. ALL people.

To hammer this point home, let's use Miss Thundercat as an example. I realize her very existence is enough to make some people uncomfortable. They'd rather she stayed quiet, or better yet just killed herself. I think we all agree that Miss Thundercat has a right to exist. Right? But we don't want to scare those voters too much by being "too PC" do we? So which of her rights is negotiable? Can she still wear the clothes she chooses in public? Can she still use the restroom she chooses? Can she get married? Adopt children? Get a non-binary ID? Which of her rights is too many? Which will make those people too scared to vote for "our" candidate? Because that's what you're saying. If we're "too PC" we'll discourage people from voting "our" way. You may feel more comfortable using language like "too PC" or "PC culture" but that's the reality of what you're saying.

I believe Miss Thundercat has every right you or I have. Those are my principles. Those are my beliefs. They are not negotiable. Bring me the people who disagree with me and I'll argue with them until I'm blue in the face. Then I'll find some other people who disagree with me. By the end of the campaign I'll convince people that my ideas are better than your ideas. If I can go to ****ing South Dakota and wage a campaign about abortion I'm sure as hell going to try to convince voters Miss Thundercat and people like her deserve human rights. Do I win every campaign I enter? No, I don't. But unlike some people I'm willing to fight for the things I believe.
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

it's not just the bathroom issue. Republicans are hung up on this notion that people like me will rape women in public bathrooms.

They argue I shouldn't be able to get the "F" designation on my driver's license.

That I shouldn't be able to adopt children.

Get married.

Hold down a job without fear that my employer will fire me expressly because I am trans. Thankfully, my new employer says this is not an issue. For another trans friend of mine, while she's making good money with her employer, they constantly use the wrong pronouns and will fire her if she gets surgery. They cannot bring themselves to acknowledge her as a woman.

Not be sent to the men's prison if I commit a crime.

Not have to use the men's shelter if I become homeless, or more to the point, that a homeless shelter must accept me if I need their services. A trans woman died because a shelter let her freeze to death. Why? because... religious freedom.

That acknowledging a trans student's pronouns and right to exist is more important than a teacher's religious freedom.

So much more. Last night, we marked Transgender Day of Remembrance, where we honored and remembered the lives of 24 trans people, 99.5% of them trans women of color, who were brutally murdered because they were trans. Now that 24 are the ones we know about, as well as the 331 around the world. There are many more murders that went undocumented. Hate crimes against us and against LGBTQ are on the rise. Right now, I plan to vote for a candidate that will fight for our rights too.

And my question to you: are you going to get off your computers and march with us? Attend our Day of Visibility and Day of Remembrance services and rallies? Gonna listen to us, instead of speaking over us?
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

Editor's note: For obvious reasons I ran this past Miss Thundercat to get her blessing before I posted.



I've been thinking about this all day. Something just hasn't sat right with me, and I finally figured out what. This is a coward's way of thinking.

A politician's job during a campaign is not to find the "safe ground" where people agree with them on the issues. A political campaign is about saying, "These are my principles. These are my beliefs. These are my policies. Now I'll convince you my beliefs and policies are better than my opponent's." It isn't just about finding people who agree with you, it's about finding people who may not agree with you and convincing them you're right.

Do you think the Civil Rights movement was Dr. King giving a speech in 1963 and then Congress just decided to pass the Civil Rights Act? Do you think a bunch of women turned up in 1919 and asked for the right to vote and magically the 19th Amendment was passed and ratified in 1920? Did women just start having abortions in 1973? Do you think the LGBT+ community just showed up in 2015 to ask for the right to get married and SCOTUS just decided it was OK? These are all long fights and most of them are still being waged to this day. That's what a campaign is. "My ideas are better than his ideas and this is why."

You say people are scared of "PC culture." What does that mean? That means treating people like human beings. All people. Not just some people. Not just people around whom you're comfortable. ALL people.

To hammer this point home, let's use Miss Thundercat as an example. I realize her very existence is enough to make some people uncomfortable. They'd rather she stayed quiet, or better yet just killed herself. I think we all agree that Miss Thundercat has a right to exist. Right? But we don't want to scare those voters too much by being "too PC" do we? So which of her rights is negotiable? Can she still wear the clothes she chooses in public? Can she still use the restroom she chooses? Can she get married? Adopt children? Get a non-binary ID? Which of her rights is too many? Which will make those people too scared to vote for "our" candidate? Because that's what you're saying. If we're "too PC" we'll discourage people from voting "our" way. You may feel more comfortable using language like "too PC" or "PC culture" but that's the reality of what you're saying.

I believe Miss Thundercat has every right you or I have. Those are my principles. Those are my beliefs. They are not negotiable. Bring me the people who disagree with me and I'll argue with them until I'm blue in the face. Then I'll find some other people who disagree with me. By the end of the campaign I'll convince people that my ideas are better than your ideas. If I can go to ****ing South Dakota and wage a campaign about abortion I'm sure as hell going to try to convince voters Miss Thundercat and people like her deserve human rights. Do I win every campaign I enter? No, I don't. But unlike some people I'm willing to fight for the things I believe.

As far as those issues go, I'm on board with love who you want, be who you want, and no matter what color, we are ALL equal.

I have an issue with all this free stuff being given out and we'll pay for it because some want to tax the hell out of the uber-rich. I've stated I would love to see ALL exemptions and breaks removed, then see what happens with the revenue stream.

I think we all agree that immigration (as to "illegals"), needs to be fixed. With today's tech, go Ellis Island on it. Clean record? Won't live off the state/country's benefits (I would include, say, a 3 month grace period)? You're in. Sure, it might take a couple days in a NICE holding cell (not this bullsh* cage crap), but I'd say that's a small price to pay for a long-term goal.
If those immigrants don't reach those goals, they are out, and get to re-apply. No waiting period, just get back in line. Note: this is the rough idea, I'm sure that lawyers would have to sort some things out. ;)

Health care, I can't even start with that, because it IS that complicated. Now, I do have a good health care plan, provided by my employer. I wouldn't know where to begin with that. Between profit hospitals, Big Pharm, and insurance companies...that is a devil's nest.
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

Lmfao

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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

Lmfao

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What an ******* <a href="https://t.co/GniapUHyzW">https://t.co/GniapUHyzW</a></p>— Michael Brooks (@_michaelbrooks) <a href="https://twitter.com/_michaelbrooks/status/1197719309667176449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Granted, it's been 15 years since I worked a presidential race, but I think telling someone to vote for your opponent might be a bad way to campaign. Just sayin'
 
You say people are scared of "PC culture." What does that mean?

It’s a dumb talking point the average Joe in the rust belt (or rural Maine too) has bought into. These are the same morons that think that passing basic civil rights laws is “shoving it down their throats”.

My point is that I think you’re wrong when you think someone on the left of the Democratic field will resonate better in the rust belt.

I do think a more moderate candidate like Mayor Pete or Biden will resonate better with some of the voters in a general election.
 
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It’s a dumb talking point the average Joe in the rust belt (or rural Maine too) has bought into. These are the same morons that think that passing basic civil rights laws is “shoving it down their throats”.

My point is that I think you’re wrong when you think someone on the left of the Democratic field will resonate better in the rust belt.

I do think a more moderate candidate like Mayor Pete or Biden will resonate better with some of the voters in a general election.

I agree. But, I will say I don't like Biden. Pete...I don't think he has a chance, but he has potential in the future.
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

It’s a dumb talking point the average Joe in the rust belt (or rural Maine too) has bought into. These are the same morons that think that passing basic civil rights laws is “shoving it down their throats”.

My point is that I think you’re wrong when you think someone on the left of the Democratic field will resonate better in the rust belt.

I do think a more moderate candidate like Mayor Pete or Biden will resonate better with some of the voters in a general election.

That's why you campaign. That's why you try to educate those voters. That's why Sanders recently had more people at a rally in an Iowa High School gymnasium than caucused in the entire county in 2016.

If we're just going to worry about the voters who already agree with us then don't bother with a campaign. Just stay dark until the last week and GOTV in the days before the election.
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

In any other era, Pete is perfect Veep material. And for some major candidates, he still is.
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

Latest national poll, per Emerson

Biden 27, Sanders 27, Warren 20, Buttigieg 7, Harris 3, Yang 4, Bloomberg 1, Gabbard 2, Klobuchar 1, Steyer 2, Booker 1, Castro 1, Bennet 0
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

It’s a dumb talking point the average Joe in the rust belt (or rural Maine too) has bought into. These are the same morons that think that passing basic civil rights laws is “shoving it down their throats”.
Those people already vote for Trump.
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto

That's why you campaign. That's why you try to educate those voters. That's why Sanders recently had more people at a rally in an Iowa High School gymnasium than caucused in the entire county in 2016.

If we're just going to worry about the voters who already agree with us then don't bother with a campaign. Just stay dark until the last week and GOTV in the days before the election.

But no one is saying otherwise. But we are allowed to discuss whether or not those ideas will work. And just because you campaign and educate people that doesnt mean they are going to support your candidate.

BTW your fellow Bernie supporter just wrote all those people off two posts later.
 
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