ericredaxe
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I don’t think I’d put Dukakis as “center”... and B Clinton/ Obama were mayyybe boarderline left their first go around..
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2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto
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I don’t think I’d put Dukakis as “center”... and B Clinton/ Obama were mayyybe boarderline left their first go around..
ericredaxe
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto
Correct. But, oh no, AOC, the squad, and Bernie.
Correct. But, oh no, AOC, the squad, and Bernie.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto
No one here is "über-left", except for maybe trix and ticap. Kep thinks he's über-left, but he's too old and too rich to be accepted into the revolutionary brotherhood.
No one here is "über-left", except for maybe trix and ticap. Kep thinks he's über-left, but he's too old and too rich to be accepted into the revolutionary brotherhood.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto
I would nominate rufie and Scoobs. I agree on Kep.
No one here is "über-left", except for maybe trix and ticap. Kep thinks he's über-left, but he's too old and too rich to be accepted into the revolutionary brotherhood.
I would nominate rufie and Scoobs. I agree on Kep.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto
Hey! Leftist Poseur is all I got, man.
No one here is "über-left", except for maybe trix and ticap. Kep thinks he's über-left, but he's too old and too rich to be accepted into the revolutionary brotherhood.
Hey! Leftist Poseur is all I got, man.
trixR4kids
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The dems lost like 1000 state seats and every lever of power in the federal government largely due to his management of the party.Obama is a smart guy.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto
This is another fact that people just don't understand or get. Not only did he lose all those seats while he ran the party but he also tried over and over and over again to negotiate with the terrorists.
This is another fact that people just don't understand or get. Not only did he lose all those seats while he ran the party but he also tried over and over and over again to negotiate with the terrorists.
trixR4kids
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Probably because they’re borderline republicans and don’t actually care about winning or taking the type of steps necessary to restore peoples’ faith in government and sustainably defeat fascism long term.
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Well considering the Democrats only had control of the House and Senate from 09-11 in his 8 years...he didn't really have a choice but to try and work with Republicans to get things passed.
You keep hammering this negotiate with terrorists narrative but unless you have a majority...things aren't going to get passed otherwise.
Hell the Republicans had a majority when Trump was elected and a lot of things still didn't get passed and nothing is being passed now.
Vote them out sure...but without the majority...i'd love to know how you expect legislation to get done without negotiations...
trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto
Yes but let’s not act like giving banks money to illegally foreclose peoples’ homes (putting black wealth and home ownership rates back to what they were 100 years prior) whole offering virtually nothing to homeowners did nothing to lead to that wave election cycle.
Obviously I see your point that he can’t really negotiate with a side that has no interest in doing so but it’s not like he did anything to keep the power he initially had either.
Yes but let’s not act like giving banks money to illegally foreclose peoples’ homes (putting black wealth and home ownership rates back to what they were 100 years prior) whole offering virtually nothing to homeowners did nothing to lead to that wave election cycle.
Obviously I see your point that he can’t really negotiate with a side that has no interest in doing so but it’s not like he did anything to keep the power he initially had either.
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unofan
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Go Fark yourself, you myopic nincompoop.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto
No. This was debunked by 538, as I have repeatedly demonstrated, and I believe at one point you even accepted that and apologized for continuing to use it. The Dems' losses down ticket and in state legs were in the range of other presidencies. Likewise, Dump and the GOP have been hemorrhaging downticket seats.
Please retire this talking point. I understand it is attractive given our impatience with the party apparatus' "pragmatic" betrayal of liberals in order to field centrist candidates who then lose because of their lack of appeal and inability to broaden the electoral base. I share your frustration with the narratives that apparently never die that the only way for us to win is to tip toe around the Plutes' aggressive bullsh-t about "job creation" or "punishing success."
I get all that.
But the talking about Obama losing 1000 state leg seats because he was a wimp has been refuted. It is dead. One difference between liberals and conservatives is we do not continue to repeat untruths simply because they are useful.
No. This was debunked by 538, as I have repeatedly demonstrated, and I believe at one point you even accepted that and apologized for continuing to use it. The Dems' losses down ticket and in state legs were in the range of other presidencies. Likewise, Dump and the GOP have been hemorrhaging downticket seats.
Please retire this talking point. I understand it is attractive given our impatience with the party apparatus' "pragmatic" betrayal of liberals in order to field centrist candidates who then lose because of their lack of appeal and inability to broaden the electoral base. I share your frustration with the narratives that apparently never die that the only way for us to win is to tip toe around the Plutes' aggressive bullsh-t about "job creation" or "punishing success."
I get all that.
But the talking about Obama losing 1000 state leg seats because he was a wimp has been refuted. It is dead. One difference between liberals and conservatives is we do not continue to repeat untruths simply because they are useful.
trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto
538 is trash and didn’t debunk that point at all lol. It wasn’t because he was a wimp, it’s because he went back on a lot of his campaign promises and his actions didn’t come close to resembling his rhetoric at which point people lost even more faith in our democracy and didn’t turn out for Hillary or any of the down ballot elections.
538 is trash and didn’t debunk that point at all lol. It wasn’t because he was a wimp, it’s because he went back on a lot of his campaign promises and his actions didn’t come close to resembling his rhetoric at which point people lost even more faith in our democracy and didn’t turn out for Hillary or any of the down ballot elections.
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D
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See Kepler.
Blaming it all on Obama is short-sighted.
And BTW...your boy Bernie...isnt going to be some magic uniter either.
D
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Doesn't fit your narrative....no wonder you deny it.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers VII: Bon Voyage Beto
That was the brand he went with: the Unifier. Remember "there are no red states or blue states"? It was trying to be Lincoln, and the GOP said fine we'll be Booth.
That was the brand he went with: the Unifier. Remember "there are no red states or blue states"? It was trying to be Lincoln, and the GOP said fine we'll be Booth.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
trixR4kids
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It doesn’t match reality
trixR4kids
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Well yeah, if you’re gonna peddle Nate Bronze’s site as gospel we can probably do that lol. If he’s trying to act like the left narrative of Obama is that his failure to “negotiate” or be tough on republicans was the main problem that needs to be debunked then it already misses the mark completely.
The dems losses being in line with other wave elections just further bolsters the point that people lack faith in their government and have for a very long time and Obama did nothing to restore it. Acting like this is some inevitable force that can’t be counteracted in any way is the type of drivel I’d expect from that site though.
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