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2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

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Slap Shot said:
Didn't they recently build an extra assembly line (or 2?) on site in an extraordinary amount of time in order to meet a recent output deadline he made?
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I'm sure that won't cause any quality problems in 2-3 years. :rolleyes:

Kepler said:
Is Tesla noted for bad working conditions? Honest question; I haven't heard anything either way.
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He's known to flog people for overtime from the white collars on down, and they have a questionable track record of addressing on-the-job injuries for the line workers.
 
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Tulsi Gabbard Has Enemies In High Places

How doing the right thing could be costing her everything

That day, Tulsi Gabbard took a stand. With her head held high and a smile on her face, she resigned her position as Vice-Chair of the DNC, and not only that, went against her party and publicly endorsed Sanders. The next day, she recieved this email:
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Now, this email is hardly new. Wikileaks released it as part of their Podesta Emails series later in 2016. So why am I even bringing it back up? Because it’s relevant, or possibly, it’s consequences are.
Ever since Gabbard announced her bid for the Presidency, she has been subject to the occasional, yet predictable hit-piece. It’s usually an intentionally misrepresented version of her meeting with Syrian president Bashar Al Assad on a diplomatic fact finding mission in 2017, and her subsequent public opposition to US involvement in the conflict . Most accounts of this story either minimalize or omit completely her also meeting with leaders on the other side of their Civil War, which when coupled with her reluctance to go to war there, is done to make her seem as an “apologist” for a man accused of atrocious humanitarian abuses. The apologist label is untrue, of course, as she has called him a “brutal dictator” and even called for his execution if he were to ever be convicted of war crimes by an international court. Anyone with access to the internet and the desire to be informed can find this information, if they’re willing to search for it. Many either can’t or won’t be bothered. Who has time to read anymore?
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So when it comes to the easily debunked “Assad” smear hurled at Tulsi Gabbard, one you swear must be true because you’ve heard it a hundred times, how could they all be wrong? It’s almost like they’re all reading out of the same playbook. Maybe. More likely though, they’re all on the same e-mail list. This is why that infamous email matters.

The email at face value looks like nothing more than a couple of disgruntled Democrat fundraisers being salty at Gabbard for not falling in line with the DNC and backing Clinton, and telling her they’re taking their money elsewhere. But it’s the names that matter here, and not only that, but their positions at the companies they work for. The email is written by Darnell Strom on behalf of himself and a man named Michael Kives. Both men, at the time were executives at a global talent representation firm — Creative Artists Agency, or CAA. Let’s start there.
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It's a long read but I think worth it. Beyond the supposed conspiracy to swift-boat her I find her more and more palatable as time goes by.
 
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Slap Shot said:
It's a long read but I think worth it. Beyond the supposed conspiracy to swift-boat her I find her more and more palatable as time goes by.
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Don't. She's awful. Her entire run to the anti-war wing is a bullsh-t grandstanding act. You might as well vote for Lindsey Graham.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
For my own sake of countering my Gabbard loving friends, could you elaborate?
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Yes, I will tomorrow when I have the energy.

But if you go to Kos and search on stories about her you'll hit paydirt. She has been exposed and there have been a couple good pieces about her many egregious faults.
 
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The problem the centrists have no interest in solving.


The 25 wealthiest dynasties on the planet control $1.4 trillion
August 10, 2019

The numbers are mind-boggling: $70,000 per minute, $4 million per hour, $100 million per day.

That’s how quickly the fortune of the Waltons, the clan behind Walmart Inc., has been growing since last year’s Bloomberg ranking of the world’s richest families.

At that rate, their wealth would’ve expanded about $23,000 since you began reading this. A new Walmart associate in the U.S. would’ve made about 6 cents in that time, on the way to an $11 hourly minimum.

Even in this era of extreme wealth and brutal inequality, the contrast is jarring. The heirs of Sam Walton, Walmart’s notoriously frugal founder, are amassing wealth on a near-unprecedented scale — and they’re hardly alone.

The Walton fortune has swelled by $39 billion, to $191 billion, since topping the June 2018 ranking of the world’s richest families.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/features/...DNMZw7ATCgivbjomJKv1CtyaHbqsfjyxyY-f0u6Ak9RAE

Vote Warren for Presidential Nominee than President if you want this BS to end.
 
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(or the other dude who calls the Walton Family and Jeff Bezos out constantly :) )
 
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There's a reason I shop as local as I can. Target (and occasionally, as in once a year, Amazon) being the exceptions. I rarely even go to Old Chicago anymore. If I go out to eat, it's family-owned, or at least a 3-4 store local chain (kinda: different restaurants under the same local umbrella).
 
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I agree with Bernie on that one, in the sense that it's silly for the WaPo to suggest that Bezos lets them truly operate independently and has no influence. Even if he doesn't pop in every week, you can bet that the implied threat that he might exert more control if they start printing too much stuff he doesn't like keeps the editors from printing anything too "controversial" on a regular basis.
 
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I don't think Bezos is coming down to the news room but there's a reason he decided to buy a newspaper in the first place.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I agree with Bernie on that one, in the sense that it's silly for the WaPo to suggest that Bezos lets them truly operate independently and has no influence. Even if he doesn't pop in every week, you can bet that the implied threat that he might exert more control if they start printing too much stuff he doesn't like keeps the editors from printing anything too "controversial" on a regular basis.
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Definitely. It isn't like a newspaper is a license to print money. When rich people or corporations buy media it's so they can control messaging about things they care about. Including criticism of them.

That's the investment.
 
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trixR4kids said:
I don't think Bezos is coming down to the news room but there's a reason he decided to buy a newspaper in the first place.
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So you don't think he's selflessly devoted to the fearless promulgation of truth, regardless of consequence?

I thought I was cynical...
 
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I agree with Sanders, but not for the reasons he's stated. The press, not just the WaPo, doesn't like him. They never did. They just took it easy on him in 2016 because they disliked Hillary even more and Sanders was useful to them. I suspect its not "corporate influence" but rather that Sanders doesn't seem like a schmoozer to me (although perhaps Kep can opine on that given his DC connections) and the press eats it up if someone gives them access. Kinda like how Moscow Mitch McConnell can openly launder money and take payoffs to directly benefit Russia, but the press will overlook that and hail his alleged legislative brilliance instead because he serves good Kentucky bourbon at those Beltway cocktail parties that they live to attend.
 
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Rover said:
I suspect its not "corporate influence" but rather that Sanders doesn't seem like a schmoozer to me (although perhaps Kep can opine on that given his DC connections) and the press eats it up if someone gives them access.
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You raise an interesting point because Sanders really has no schmoozer profile, I mean insofar as people tell me these things (I am not actually the DC equivalent of Marin Mersenne). He's not stiff-arming like Ted Cruz but my impression of him is he's just busy all the time. He is a total press access whore, however -- Bernie is no fool in understanding that you have to cultivate the press. But unlike many politicians who actively circulate socially among "influencers" (pause while I barf), Bernie seems to be always working. I think the guy is legitimately like an NFL coach. When he's not on the field he's eating tape until 3 a.m.

The other like this is Warren. Warren simply doesn't socialize. She works and occasionally, I guess, sleeps, and that's it.

I think this is laudable behavior but I would, wouldn't I?
 
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U.S. Politics
Odds to Win the 2020 Presidential Election
08:00 PM
2001 Donald Trump -110
2006 Elizabeth Warren +700
2004 Joe Biden +750
2002 Bernie Sanders +900
2003 Kamala Harris +1400
2068 Andrew Yang +2200
2060 Pete Buttigieg +2800
2025 Tulsi Gabbard +4000
2047 Beto ORourke +6600
2007 Cory Booker +6600
2017 Amy Klobuchar +10000
2069 Marianne Williamson +10000
2005 Mike Pence +10000
2015 Julian Castro +12500
2061 Bill de Blasio +15000
2057 Jay Inslee +15000
2050 John Hickenlooper +15000
2008 Kirsten Gillibrand +15000
2070 Michael Bennet +15000
2065 Seth Moulton +15000

I feel like Cory Booker is probably "the best bet" right now.
 
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