2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

If "the middle" has the choice between Trump and someone mentally competent but far left, and they choose Trump, they are not "the middle."

They'll choose Trump every time. Only one side has to "moderate" their views and that side does not have a member of the Senate named Lindsey Graham.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Only one side has to "moderate" their views and that side does not have a member of the Senate named Lindsey Graham.

Very true. That's the cost of the electoral process. Only one time in the last generation has a Republican president actually had the majority of the voters backing them (incumbent W who primarily won due to a post Iraq invasion spike in popularity and we know how that turned out). And about half our presidents during the time have been Republican?

You have two choices. Fight it by approaching the electoral process as smart as possible by playing to the middle or contribute to the election of more Republican presidents. Unwittingly many Ds will take the latter path.

 

[unofan]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

A moderate uncharismatic boob is more likely to lose than a charismatic far left candidate. See Hillary, Kerry, Gore.

Charisma wins. Pick a charismatic candidate first, then worry about their politics.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Bad answer for the Berninator. Even the audience is laughing.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WATCH: Bernie gets defensive about his tax returns, says they are still not ready to be released (years later), and denies there was ever any criticism of him for not releasing releasing them, which is false. <a href="https://t.co/iP8kfX54QM">pic.twitter.com/iP8kfX54QM</a></p>— Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) <a href="https://twitter.com/KaivanShroff/status/1100257926328057856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[bronconick]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

He'll likely crumble under actual scrutiny and pressure instead of the kid gloves Clinton used on him.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

A moderate uncharismatic boob is more likely to lose than a charismatic far left candidate. See Hillary, Kerry, Gore.

Charisma wins. Pick a charismatic candidate first, then worry about their politics.

This.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

A moderate uncharismatic boob is more likely to lose than a charismatic far left candidate. See Hillary, Kerry, Gore.

Charisma wins. Pick a charismatic candidate first, then worry about their politics.

I think that holds for this go around as there's very little daylight in the policies of anybody running outside of the Richie Rich's (Bloomberg/Schultz). Dems do tend to make the mistake of thinking being right on policy will win they day while the expect the media to tell the truth about false attacks against them. I personally would rather have someone who I agree with 80% of the time but who can give as good as they can get in terms of dirty politics as opposed to someone I agree with 100% but who has a deer in the headlights look when they face a BS attack from the GOP and their Russian allies.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Charisma wins. Pick a charismatic candidate first, then worry about their politics.

Bingo. Always keep an image of the average voter firmly implanted in your mind.

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[mookie1995]

Bingo. Always keep an image of the average voter firmly implanted in your mind.

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And of course since more D votes are cast than R.....

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

And of course since more D votes are cast than R.....

Oh, we have plenty, though ours are color-coded more varied. I'd estimate the yokel population to be 30% of the Dems, 80% of the GOP, and 98% of habitual non-voters.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Charisma wins.

The age-old question - who would you rather have a beer with?

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

The age-old question - who would you rather have a beer with?

She was Dartmouth, so it'd have to be 12 beers.

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[5mn_Major]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

A moderate uncharismatic boob is more likely to lose than a charismatic far left candidate. See Hillary, Kerry, Gore.

Charisma wins. Pick a charismatic candidate first, then worry about their politics.

Which of our far left wing candidates have the 'charisma' to win? Sanders? Warren? The two left most candidates based on ontheissues...have the highest unfavorables. Oh and Hillary and Gore did not lose because of 'charisma'. They had the national votes. Their problem was that they didn't appeal in swing states.

Charisma that counts...is popularity in swing states.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Which of our far left wing candidates have the 'charisma' to win? Sanders? Warren? The two left most candidates based on ontheissues...have the highest unfavorables. Oh and Hillary and Gore did not lose because of 'charisma'. They had the national votes. Their problem was that they didn't appeal in swing states.

Charisma that counts...is popularity in swing states.

I don't agree with any of this, sorry.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I don't agree with any of this, sorry.

They have the highest "unfavorables" by like a 2% difference which is clearly not all that meaningful and he's just trying to make up stats to support his dumb theory because of the overwhelming amount of data that shows the opposite.

So basically it's just ideological and he's doing the same concern trolling schtick he always does.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Which of our far left wing candidates have the 'charisma' to win? Sanders? Warren?

They both have authenticity, which is part of charisma.

Warren has that dogged Erin Brockovitch bullsh-t that every Sally Field movie is about. That crap sells, I dunno why but it does.

Bernie is a classic anti-hero. He's pushing the good hair guy out of the way to make his point. That works, too.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Warren is a no go. I love her to death but I doubt she makes it to Super Tuesday.

 

[unofan]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Which of our far left wing candidates have the 'charisma' to win? Sanders? Warren? The two left most candidates based on ontheissues...have the highest unfavorables. Oh and Hillary and Gore did not lose because of 'charisma'. They had the national votes. Their problem was that they didn't appeal in swing states.

Charisma that counts...is popularity in swing states.

Beto, Harris, Biden, Booker, and Castro have charisma. Sanders does too, but he had his chance and couldn't beat out one of the least popular candidates in decades. No way he survives a field of 20. Warren has some charisma that appeals to the educated elite, but should be a nonstarter because she's already vilified and would be Hillary 2.0 with the working class whites.

Everyone else will be Kerry redux.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Harris, ....

tD will throw out a line of "you can't sleep with putin or merkel to advance your career and american interests like you have in the past" at her in a debate. tD base will love it, and give white women second thoughts (as if they need any)

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Beto, Harris, Biden, Booker, and Castro have charisma. Sanders does too, but he had his chance and couldn't beat out one of the least popular candidates in decades. No way he survives a field of 20. Warren has some charisma that appeals to the educated elite, but should be a nonstarter because she's already vilified and would be Hillary 2.0 with the working class whites.

Everyone else will be Kerry redux.

Clinton was one of the least liked nationally, but she still had built in favorability with a good chunk of Dem primary voters, especially in the south. Plus Sanders has name recognition this time around, probably the most unless Biden enters.