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2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

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Handyman said:
I think we are better off if we (as in the various groups) are "disappointed" because that means there were probably quite a few good candidates. The problem with 2016 was it was either/or. You were either Pro Bernie or Pro Hillary and it really split things up.

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The person who wins this, if it is done the right way wont be loved by everyone but will be SUPPORTED by them because they won it not because they happened to be next in line. Victories inspire (see: WJC and BHO) Heir Apparents retire. (see: Al Gore, John Kerry, Bob Dole, Hillary Clinton)
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I think this is right. I've seen a number of Kossites who were deep in the infighting in 2016 promising not to do it again, and I've seen plenty of people who think a large field that gradually narrows will get us used to horse trading and discourage us from going nuclear against each other.

At the same time, agents provocateur, both Republican and Russian (same thing), will be trying to get us at each other's throats, so it's going to take a lot of self-discipline.

VOTE BLUE, NO MATTER WHO
 
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Reading back, no one is a saint. What lessons have they learned from it? We've all done stupid crap.

Frankly, Clinton should have said, "Yeah, I did inhale. I was a college kid who was finding out about the world, and I learned that a) it's not for me and b) it's illegal. Haven't done it since. Learned my lesson." For example (yes, that was an easy example).

Own up to past youthful indiscretions. Heck, RELY on them to show that you have matured and changed your ways. That is VERY relatable to the average American. Many of us could find an example and say "Yeah, I remember doing that, that was stupid. Didn't do that again, and now I'm a better person for it."
 
The Rube said:
Reading back, no one is a saint. What lessons have they learned from it? We've all done stupid crap.

Frankly, Clinton should have said, "Yeah, I did inhale. I was a college kid who was finding out about the world, and I learned that a) it's not for me and b) it's illegal. Haven't done it since. Learned my lesson." For example (yes, that was an easy example).

Own up to past youthful indiscretions. Heck, RELY on them to show that you have matured and changed your ways. That is VERY relatable to the average American. Many of us could find an example and say "Yeah, I remember doing that, that was stupid. Didn't do that again, and now I'm a better person for it."
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"Yah, I banged and blew a 60yr dude, twice my age, to advance my career. I'd gladly do it again. I like cawk"

Kamela for Pres :D

(Yes this would be awesome!!!)
 
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mookie1995 said:
"Yah, I banged and blew a 60yr dude, twice my age, to advance my career. I'd gladly do it again. I like cawk"

Kamela for Pres :D

(Yes this would be awesome!!!)
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She could spin it: "I was young and naive and trusted those people who have been in this a lot longer than I have. I'm a victim." ;) It's been done before.
 
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The Rube said:
She could spin it: "I was young and naive and trusted those people who have been in this a lot longer than I have. I'm a victim." ;) It's been done before.
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then she ain't gonna be commander in chief!!!

that spin sounds like rape or assault.

gotta own it. used her good to advance her career. enjoys it too.
it would be spectacular!!!
 
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Maybe dont read second rate rags like the Examiner...
 
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The 0.01% is frightened.

Nobody under 40 was even alive the last time we had a legitimate Left in this country. The second anybody even mentions real progressive taxation the billionaire snowflakes have kittens.

Good. Stay on target. This country does not exist as their playground.
 
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Handyman said:
Maybe dont read second rate rags like the Examiner...
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I just looked for an article. Heard a lot of this crap on MSNBC this morning. Howard Schultz was on. It was reported Bloomberg attacked Warren over her plutocrat tax. Schultz was against it as well.

Just for the record, I multi source any articles I post before I post them.

Again, it's pretty amazing how Schultz thinks he has a lane down the middle. But no one can articulate what the tax structure will look like in the middle. We only have what Warren is saying and what Turtle Boy and Ayn Rand Masturbation Boy passed along with the history of taxation since 1980 to go on.
 
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Schultz has no clue what he is in for. By the time we actually get to the point of nominations he will have had months of every skeleton coming out of his closet not to mention his true intentions will come out. (billionaires dont run to "make things better" ) He will be a non-starter for 95% of the Left and the other 5% would rather vote for loonbats and criminals like Jill Stein so he wont get them either.

He honestly has a better chance to get GOP votes and he has .01% chance of that. Vanity campaigns arent going to survive a divided electorate.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I just looked for an article. Heard a lot of this crap on MSNBC this morning. Howard Schultz was on. It was reported Bloomberg attacked Warren over her plutocrat tax. Schultz was against it as well.

Just for the record, I multi source any articles I post before I post them.

Again, it's pretty amazing how Schultz thinks he has a lane down the middle. But no one can articulate what the tax structure will look like in the middle. We only have what Warren is saying and what Turtle Boy and Ayn Rand Masturbation Boy passed along with the history of taxation since 1980 to go on.
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Who cares? Let them rail against socialism that is how most people feel anyways. When the Venezuela crap dies down the boogeyman will go back in the closet. The Left needs to not take the bait.
 
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I can’t wait til his first campaign event in Seattle
 
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Handyman said:
Who cares? Let them rail against socialism that is how most people feel anyways. When the Venezuela crap dies down the boogeyman will go back in the closet. The Left needs to not take the bait.
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I care. They're going to blow up the debate before it even happens.
 
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Handyman said:
Who cares? Let them rail against socialism that is how most people feel anyways. When the Venezuela crap dies down the boogeyman will go back in the closet. The Left needs to not take the bait.
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I doubt most Americans even know where Venezuela is ("Venezuela...didn't he used to pitch for the Dodgers back in the 80's?"). I wouldn't worry about it either. The "rich" as in multi-millionaires, will be paying more taxes under Dem control of government. Its just a matter of how much. I personally am proud of both Presidents Clinton and Obama for raising taxes on the rich and showing that its not electoral death despite what the lamestream media says when its publishing GOP press releases and passing it off as their own reporting. Now its time to go beyond that although I haven't yet decided who's plan is best.
 
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The Dems' surrender on fiscal policy in the 80s and 90s allowed the right to portray 36% top marginal rates as "normal." They aren't, they're ridiculously low, and they were predicated on Reagan's trickle down theory which has been completely refuted by history.

It was a radical experiment which failed. We should return top marginal rates to their normal level -- the right can argue Kennedy's 50% and I will argue Eisenhower's 90%.

Clinton especially could have reversed Reagan's tragic mistake after only 12 years of hollowing out the middle class. Instead he triangulated and bequested us another 27 years of it and counting, and in addition weakened America to the point where a fascist like Dumpy could bumble in. I'll give Clinton credit for winning election and thus staunching the bleeding, but he didn't heal the wounds the right has subjected this country to. Obama I will give a pass to since he was busy preventing the Cheney oil regime's predations from triggering a second Great Depression.
 
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Rich need to be taxed to pay bills, never mind redistribution. Before any lazy bum freeloaders get a UBI, crazy deficits have to be reduced and infrastructure should be settled.
Reasonable budget deficits are excused, but this is nutso:eek:
 
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