2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

The Bernie Bros are going to **** us over again, aren't they?

I don't see them voting FOR Chump this time, which put him over the top in key states. I do see them sitting home which frankly isn't the worst thing in the world compared to their self fulfilling prophecy of actively pulling the lever for Cheeto Jesus in order to make a point. I'm not sure even 50% of the people in the vegan co-op think of Lizzy Warren as a centrist.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Also lol at anyone who supports Kamala

It was 9 years ago. The law was supported by Gavin Newsome who is an uber-liberal.

Obviously in retrospect it's awful because we know ICE and Border Patrol are the Gestapo. But be careful with 20/20 hindsight -- it's liable to kill off whoever you support, too.

Harris isn't ideal; she's more center than center-left. But she's not a monster and trying to make her one just reflects on the accusers.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

The Bernie Bros are going to **** us over again, aren't they?

The Bernie Bros are now the Warren Women.

We'll all be there on Election Day. Dumpy's gotta go. If necessary we will delay our our revolution for another cycle. By then most of the DLC crowd will literally be dead anyway.

As Nikita said, "we will bury you." Your own children, your pallbearers, will be us.

 

[trixR4kids]

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It was 9 years ago. The law was supported by Gavin Newsome who is an uber-liberal.

Obviously in retrospect it's awful because we know ICE and Border Patrol are the Gestapo. But be careful with 20/20 hindsight -- it's liable to kill off whoever you support, too.

Harris isn't ideal; she's more center than center-left. But she's not a monster and trying to make her one just reflects on the accusers.

Has she disavowed her support for that law in more recent times?

 

[Rover]

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He's still second according to RCP and has the highest favorability among democrats unlike your candidate who still doesn't have a healthcare plan.

Also are you seriously trying to argue that Biden historically hasn't supported racist policies or said racist things? Like there's a pretty well documented history of this...

Okay I'll play along. I'm aware of Biden 1) opposing forced busing in the 70's and 2) supporting the 90's crime bill. Lets take 'em one at a time.

Forced busing was a well meaning but terrible idea that failed to do what it set out to accomplish. Instead of increasing funding for inner city schools so that they were up to par with the rest of the schools, people simply moved out and then all of the schools were underfunded in cities. I can't read Uncle Joe's mind in terms of his opposition but everyone who thought it was an unworkable idea isn't a card carrying Klan member.

Crime bill was in response to crime wave of the late 80's. Unlike simpletons who still believe in widely discredited Freaknomics view of why crime went down, the more simple reason is because the crime bill put more resources into things such as community policing. Now there were also tougher sentencing penalties which in hindsight should have been lessened but again, I doubt Biden's support for the law was because he wanted to see more blacks thrown in prison.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Forced busing was a well meaning but terrible idea that failed to do what it set out to accomplish. Instead of increasing funding for inner city schools so that they were up to par with the rest of the schools, people simply moved out and then all of the schools were underfunded in cities. I can't read Uncle Joe's mind in terms of his opposition but everyone who thought it was an unworkable idea isn't a card carrying Klan member.

That's not why he opposed it lmao.

Crime bill was in response to crime wave of the late 80's. Unlike simpletons who still believe in widely discredited Freaknomics view of why crime went down, the more simple reason is because the crime bill put more resources into things such as community policing. Now there were also tougher sentencing penalties which in hindsight should have been lessened but again, I doubt Biden's support for the law was because he wanted to see more blacks thrown in prison.

He's still proud of that bill today despite it being a disaster and part of the reason mass incarceration became such a problem.

Also there's a lot more to this argument than those two things like him eulogizing at Strom Thurmond's funeral, bragging about putting (mostly black) people away for a minimum of five years for a dime bag of coke, and pining for the good ol' days when he got to work with segregationists. I'm probably forgetting a few things as well.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Has she disavowed her support for that law in more recent times?

As far as I know she has said she regrets the consequences of the law which implies she wouldn't support it now.

What I gather from a quick search (which took me into some dark corners of rightyville where this seems to be living):

1. She prosecuted under Newsome's law.

2. She was less than candid about not recognizing the consequences. Politifact says the whole point of the law was the reporting of kids to ICE.

3. She's less than contrite about her part in it but she stresses that she had to follow the law. That seems fair to me, but there are certainly ways of protesting laws. Had the law been passed by Republicans I think she'd probably have protested.

4. This is another reason for liberals not to fall for the "get tough on crime" bullsh-t they always are pressured by centrists to do. It never works and they always get blamed from both sides. Have the courage of liberal convictions you cowards.

I don't think she comes off looking good but I think this was a case of following the Dem political machine line in Cali, getting burned, and not fessing up. See also: every politician ever. It's not a deal breaker for me as long as she realizes now that the correct and smart play is to dismantle the Concentration Camp State.

I don't want a saint. I want a shark who knows I have a knife to her belly.

I know this isn't in and of itself d-mning but you should note that the places that are really trumpeting this hard are National Review and Liberty News. The right is scared of Harris and this is a tool at hand to smear her. Yes, I agree, facts are facts wherever they come from. But still it is naive not to consider that the Hate Machine is going to run plays like this on every one of our candidates.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Right but the thing is when you have one candidate that wants to abolish ICE and another who doesn't and has a checkered history of supporting garbage like that, the choice should be pretty clear at least as far as that issue goes.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Also lol at anyone who supports Kamala (thread):

Here we go again. You ***** are going to get Trump reelected.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Right but the thing is when you have one candidate that wants to abolish ICE and another who doesn't and has a checkered history of supporting garbage like that, the choice should be pretty clear at least as far as that issue goes.

I am all for facts. Just know who benefits most from this.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Here we go again. You ***** are going to get Trump reelected.

No not really. We can point out that certain candidates are awful because it's a primary and that's the entire ****ing point of said primary
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[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

No not really. We can point out that certain candidates are awful because it's a primary and that's the entire ****ing point of said primary

She's not "awful" FFS. There's one awful Dem candidate, Gabbard. Williamson isn't even awful she's just stupid. Everybody else in the field is fine. Delaney is a conservative billionaire SOB but you know something? If he wins the nomination he's Jesus Christ from then on because if we don't win everybody f-cking dies.

We need to get it through our skulls that "yay my guy" doesn't have to mean "your guy is teh debil." Especially because that opponent may well be our f-cking nominee in which case you're gonna look pretty stupid supporting them.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

She is awful on a lot of issues as outlined in that tweet thread. Forcing trans women into prisons with men is awful. Sending kids to ICE to be separated from their parents is awful. Not prosecuting Steve Mnuchin is awful. Truancy law that mostly affected poor people, awful. Jailing (mostly poor) people for weed use and then pandering about how she used to smoke it on Breakfast Club, keeping innoncent people in prison, blocked federal funding for abortions, opposed reforming the three strikes law numerous times...

Yes this is all awful.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Trix vs Kep.....grab the fuking popcorn and enjoy the show! One wants a divine monarchy with Bernie Sanders as king while the other wants to recreate the French Revolution only on a larger scale. Is it possible for two people to both lose an argument even though they're the only ones arguing?

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

She is awful on a lot of issues as outlined in that tweet thread. Forcing trans women into prisons with men is awful. Sending kids to ICE to be separated from their parents is awful. Not prosecuting Steve Mnuchin is awful. Truancy law that mostly affected poor people, awful. Jailing (mostly poor) people for weed use and then pandering about how she used to smoke it on Breakfast Club, keeping innoncent people in prison, blocked federal funding for abortions, opposed reforming the three strikes law numerous times...

Yes this is all awful.

I can write an article satisfying your standard of "awful' for every person who has ever lived, let alone every candidate. If you don't know by now how to see through a biased selection of data to give a hit piece the illusion of being a news article then I can't help you.

Here's what I recommend you do. Follow the anti-Harris articles back to NR or Fox and then jump to another article about Megan Rapinoe and Michelle Obama. Read it and watch the "awful" details pile up. My god, how could you ever have supported such evil people?!

 

[trixR4kids]

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No you can't.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

No you can't.

I can. You can. Anybody can.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

I can. You can. Anybody can.

Lol, yeah....

 

[BassAle]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

No not really. We can point out that certain candidates are awful because it's a primary and that's the entire ****ing point of said primary

primaries should be about deciding who is better not trying to show who is more awful. Your toxic negativity towards everyone not named Bernie (along with everyone else like you) just gives more fuel to the Trump turds and russian bots.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

The Bernie Bros are going to **** us over again, aren't they?

The Bernie Bros aid Russian efforts to interfere in the election far more than any Russian botnets could.

Basically, every time trix posts some anti-Harris/Warren/Buttigieg nonsense, Pooty smiles.