2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

I would say that Buttigieg has more legitimate executive experience and responsibility than about 10 of the 20 qualifying candidates.

Meh...for running a city of 100,000 people? For comparison's sake DiBlasio has the same job title but he's running a city closer to 9 million. Every Governor or Senator in the race has to respond to the needs of a much larger area/population even Sanders in VT. Same with all the Congresscritters running. Its really only Yang, Williamson, etc that he has more experience than unless you're including his military service.

 

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I said executive experience, not legislative. He obviously isn't as experienced as the governors, or Castro, or Booker in that realm.

 

[Rover]

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I said executive experience, not legislative. He obviously isn't as experienced as the governors, or Castro, or Booker in that realm.

I understand, but in my opinion running a city of that size isn't the requisite experience to run the country. I have nothing against him and so far he's given the best answer regarding how he views the legacy of the Obama Presidency. But I do worry about any mayor who's biggest political headache is probably a cranky city council. Its going to be a big step up dealing with a treasonous money laundering cult instead.

 

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But I do worry about any mayor who's biggest political headache is probably a cranky city council. Its going to be a big step up dealing with a treasonous money laundering cult instead.

I would agree with that.

 

[Kepler]

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Experience is mostly bunk. Obama was great and he had no experience. Dubya was a zero and he'd been governor of a huge state for 8 years.

It's the person, not the resume.

 

[joecct]

So...you are a Republican then. Might as well just admit it because the only one who doesnt seem to see it is you.

John Kerry was a decorated Vet with decades of experience in office...Dubya was a coked out Ivy Legacy who failed upwards and spent more time on the "Mission Accomplished" speech than he ever did being Militarily inclined. He also couldnt construct a complete sentence if you gave him a noun, verb and adjective.

No thit. But I am not 100% welded to the GOP.

 

[Kepler]

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No thit. But I am not 100% welded to the GOP.

The point is you're not what is typically thought of an "independent." My contention is: nobody is. What would that even look like anymore? What is the LaGrange point between Dem and GOP now? A psychotic racist who cares about the environment?

 

[Rover]

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Experience is mostly bunk. Obama was great and he had no experience. Dubya was a zero and he'd been governor of a huge state for 8 years.

It's the person, not the resume.

Obama was great but had he spent a bit more time in DC beforehand he may have seen the Republican party for what it actually was (a treasonous money laundering cult) instead of thinking he could make deals with people like The Boner. If we want to get stuff done in the next Dem President we need not just an inspirational figure but a legislative tactician as well.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Experience is mostly bunk. Obama was great and he had no experience. Dubya was a zero and he'd been governor of a huge state for 8 years.

It's the person, not the resume.

Yeah, except he got played by Turtle Boy and it ruined his Presidency.

 

[joecct]

Obama was great but had he spent a bit more time in DC beforehand he may have seen the Republican party for what it actually was (a treasonous money laundering cult) instead of thinking he could make deals with people like The Boner. If we want to get stuff done in the next Dem President we need not just an inspirational figure but a legislative tactician as well.

The Master (at least in my lifetime) was Lyndon Johnson. He knew where all the bodies were buried and was not above being a vindictive SOB when the time arose.

 

[Rover]

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The Master (at least in my lifetime) was Lyndon Johnson. He knew where all the bodies were buried and was not above being a vindictive SOB when the time arose.

I had him in mind as well, although I wasn't here yet when he was Prez. In my lifetime I'd say the most effective Dem at getting his agenda passed in the face of opposition was Clinton. Nobody has done gun control (Brady bill) or Voting Rights (Motor Voter) since. Also bipartisan health care (CHiP) has been a tough sell as well although Junior did do Medicare prescription drugs proving a stopped clock is right twice a day.

 

[Kepler]

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The Master (at least in my lifetime) was Lyndon Johnson. He knew where all the bodies were buried and was not above being a vindictive SOB when the time arose.

He was able to do that because party apparatus was much more powerful. Think about Mitch's impotence. How could he possibly threaten or cajole a recalcitrant to do his bidding now? Cut his campaign funding? So what, he can raise his own on the internet. Punish him for radicalism? That puts Mitch himself at risk of primary and drives extremists into vigilante groups like the Freedumb Caucus. Cut committee slots? Without earmarks they are far less attractive in generating local pork. And god save him if he threatens or angles to work with the Dems -- that's a talk radio, social media death sentence.

LBJ could not exist in this age. He has no tools.

 

[Kepler]

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Yeah, except he got played by Turtle Boy and it ruined his Presidency.

It would have been nice if he had come in knowing the Republicans are terrorists, but look at Joe Biden. He'd been there the whole time, all through through Gingrich and Dubya. And he thinks he can "cross the aisle."

It's not the resume, it's the person. If you put one of us in there we wouldn't need a day in DC to operate in full cognizance that the GOP is a death cult and there is nothing to do with it but containment until it destroys itself from within.

 

[Rover]

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He was able to do that because party apparatus was much more powerful. Think about Mitch's impotence. How could he possibly threaten or cajole a recalcitrant to do his bidding now? Cut his campaign funding? So what, he can raise his own on the internet. Punish him for radicalism? That puts Mitch himself at risk of primary and drives extremists into vigilante groups like the Freedumb Caucus. Cut committee slots? Without earmarks they are far less attractive in generating local pork. And god save him if he threatens or angles to work with the Dems -- that's a talk radio, social media death sentence.

LBJ could not exist in this age. He has no tools.

Isn't Chump just LBJ's opposite? As in he has total control of the party and they will vote exactly as he wants? That sentencing reform bill is a good example. Itch wanted nothing to do with it until Chump ordered him to roll over and fetch. Next thing you knew the bill was passed no problem.

 

[BassAle]

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...look at Joe Biden. ... he thinks he can "cross the aisle."

He may or may not actually think that, but he thinks that's what the 'independents' and 'centrists' want to hear.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I'm actually shocked at some of the numbers here:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Biden's 30-point 'electability' lead over Warren/Harris is effectively gone after one round of debates:<a href="https://t.co/06urbQhi7p">https://t.co/06urbQhi7p</a> <a href="https://t.co/ycLTvOIC0V">pic.twitter.com/ycLTvOIC0V</a></p>— Jesse Lehrich (@JesseLehrich) <a href="https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1145720088533897217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I can't believe Booker didn't get a bigger bump, though, I'm also surprised he was as high as he was to begin with. Ditto on Mayor Pete.

 

[ericredaxe]

I'm actually shocked at some of the numbers here:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Biden's 30-point 'electability' lead over Warren/Harris is effectively gone after one round of debates:<a href="https://t.co/06urbQhi7p">https://t.co/06urbQhi7p</a> <a href="https://t.co/ycLTvOIC0V">pic.twitter.com/ycLTvOIC0V</a></p>— Jesse Lehrich (@JesseLehrich) <a href="https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1145720088533897217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I can't believe Booker didn't get a bigger bump, though, I'm also surprised he was as high as he was to begin with. Ditto on Mayor Pete.

I thought Booker did well. I wonder how much advantage there might have been to being on the 2nd night instead of the first?

 

[BassAle]

No thit. But I am not 100% welded to the GOP.

Lol. W second term. Iraq war disaster.

 

[burd]

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No thit. But I am not 100% welded to the GOP.

There's that one issue getting in the way of voting independence.

 

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Biden swooning, Sanders slipping, Booker & Buttigieg flat-lining, Harris and Warren surging

I know, I know - polls schmolls.