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2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

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unofan said:
What she did to Franken was horseshiat. It was a political hit job in an attempt to bolster her own cred. I'll take Warren or Harris or Klobuchar over her any day of the week.
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Politics is mean. The general election is really mean. I don't need a candidate who is Above It All, I need one who can get elected and who will govern pushing policies that will help get us out of the Milton Friedman Death Spiral of the last 37 years. That's the standard I am measuring all candidates against.
 
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Rover said:
She doesn't seem to have been able to put the "shamelessly opportunistic" label behind her rightly or wrongly. Frankly I don't know a lot about her but I seem to recall she had a reputation as a bit of a moderate, safe pick from an update NY seat when she was appointed Senator. In fact I recall GOP Rep King declining to run for the Senate seat and saying that Gillenbrand doesn't inspire enough love or hate for him to be able to raise enough money off of to make it a competitive contest.
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She's a Standard Pol. I don't know that she will garner much of a following in the nom process but if she does that means she's got something. We don't have to anticipate, we can let the campaigns play out.

Same with the scope of policy. If you think UBI is a non-starter that means candidates who campaign on it will not get traction for the nom, so the problem solves itself. We don't have to police our field and suppress "extreme" positions -- we can let the voters show us what they want rather than declaring what they want and limiting their choices. If Andrew Yang wins the Democratic nomination then, welp, that means we're ready for a UBI. :)

Democrats are always restraining themselves. This is another aspect of how we negotiate against ourselves. It's our job to show what is possible. It's the job of electorate to show what is impractical.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Sherrod Brown now going on a “Dignity of Work” tour that just so happens to be in early primary states.

We’re gonna be able to fill an active MLB roster with dem candidates.
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Brown needs to stay in the Senate. He's the last Dem who can hold that seat in Ohio.
 
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We dont need Ohio. Keep him in the Senate. Flip back Pennsylvania, Michigan and Sconnie that is what is needed.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Brown needs to stay in the Senate. He's the last Dem who can hold that seat in Ohio.
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Brown's in a relatively unique position as his liberal bona fides can't be questioned, yet he's won over the dreaded working class stiffs in Ohio repeatedly to win re-election. All of the other candidates are either running from safe Dem states except for O'Rourke who unlike Brown lost his Senate race.

Agree about his Senate seat although I think that has more to do with the Dem state party in Ohio being a shi tshow on par with the FL state Dem party in terms of sheer incompetence.
 
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Rover said:
All of the other candidates are either running from safe Dem states except for O'Rourke who unlike Brown lost his Senate race.
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Castro's from TX too. Hadn't thought about that; interesting.

CA Garcetti
CA Harris
CA Newsom
CA Steyer
CA Swalwell
CO Hickenlooper
CT Murphy
DC Holder
DE Biden
HI Gabbard
MA Moulton
MA Patrick
MA Warren
MD Delaney
MN Klobuchar
NJ Booker
NY Bloomberg
NY Cuomo
NY de Blasio
NY Gillibrand
OH Brown
TX Castro
TX O'Rourke
VA Kaine
VA McAuliffe
VT Sanders
 
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Kepler said:
Castro's from TX too. Hadn't thought about that; interesting.

CA Garcetti
CA Harris
CA Newsom
CA Steyer
CA Swalwell
CO Hickenlooper
CT Murphy
DC Holder
DE Biden
HI Gabbard
MA Moulton
MA Patrick
MA Warren
MD Delaney
MN Klobuchar
NJ Booker
NY Bloomberg
NY Cuomo
NY de Blasio
NY Gillibrand
OH Brown
TX Castro
TX O'Rourke
VA Kaine
VA McAuliffe
VT Sanders
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Crap, that’s already a 25 man with a 26th called up for a doubleheader. We’re gonna have to expand this to 40 and send some down to AAA.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Crap, that’s already a 25 man with a 26th called up for a doubleheader. We’re gonna have to expand this to 40 and send some down to AAA.
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I don't think its quite that bad, eliminate the people who've said they aren't running plus the absurd ones:

Kepler said:
CA Garcetti :rolleyes:
CA Harris
CA Newsom :confused:(don't think he's running)
CA Steyer (not running)
CA Swalwell :rolleyes:
CO Hickenlooper
CT Murphy :confused:
DC Holder :confused:
DE Biden
HI Gabbard :mad::rolleyes:
MA Moulton :rolleyes:
MA Patrick :rolleyes::rolleyes:
MA Warren
MD Delaney :rolleyes:
MN Klobuchar
NJ Booker
NY Bloomberg :eek:
NY Cuomo (not running)
NY de Blasio :rolleyes:
NY Gillibrand
OH Brown
TX Castro :rolleyes:
TX O'Rourke
VA Kaine :confused: (don't think he's running)
VA McAuliffe :mad::rolleyes::mad:
VT Sanders
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That leaves like 10 serious candidates and a bunch of others who maybe belong at the kiddie table.
 
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It's funny that despite our many differences we really only hate the same two candidates.

My own categorizations:

CA Garcetti -- small fry, there are always some like this
CA Harris -- serious
CA Newsom -- serious
CA Steyer-- rich man's vanity candidacy
CA Swalwell -- media candidacy
CO Hickenlooper -- small fry
CT Murphy -- media
DC Holder -- serious though I doubt he'll run
DE Biden -- serous albeit ancient
HI Gabbard -- ridiculous candidacy
MA Moulton -- small fry
MA Patrick -- small fry
MA Warren -- serious
MD Delaney -- vanity
MN Klobuchar -- serious
NJ Booker -- serious
NY Bloomberg -- vanity
NY Cuomo -- not running
NY de Blasio -- small fry
NY Gillibrand -- serious
OH Brown -- serious
TX Castro -- media
TX O'Rourke -- media and yet serious, like Obama
VA Kaine -- establishment inertia candidacy
VA McAuliffe -- inertia
VT Sanders -- media
 
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good lord, tD is going to win a 2nd term :eek:

Kepler said:
CA Garcetti
CA Harris
CA Newsom
CA Steyer
CA Swalwell
CO Hickenlooper
CT Murphy
DC Holder
DE Biden
HI Gabbard
MA Moulton
MA Patrick
MA Warren
MD Delaney
MN Klobuchar
NJ Booker
NY Bloomberg
NY Cuomo
NY de Blasio
NY Gillibrand
OH Brown
TX Castro
TX O'Rourke
VA Kaine
VA McAuliffe
VT Sanders
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countdown to the "draft hilly" campaign....
 
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That's a good rundown, I think I mostly agree with your (Kepler) assessments. But yikes. That doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling that Trump will be a one-termer. Again, I'm ever the pessimist with politics. But even among the serious candidates there... :(
 
Rover said:
She doesn't seem to have been able to put the "shamelessly opportunistic" label behind her rightly or wrongly. Frankly I don't know a lot about her but I seem to recall she had a reputation as a bit of a moderate, safe pick from an update NY seat when she was appointed Senator. In fact I recall GOP Rep King declining to run for the Senate seat and saying that Gillenbrand doesn't inspire enough love or hate for him to be able to raise enough money off of to make it a competitive contest.
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I recall reading that she’s lost some support from big name donors due to how she treated franken. I hope that continues for her
 
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I like the field. If you put the serious people up on stage together (Warren, Gillenbrand, Sanders, Brown, Harris, Biden, Klobacher, Booker, O'Rourke) that's a great debate that encompasses the entirety of the Dem coalition.

Way too early to talk about who will and won't beat Trump as aside from Biden and Sanders no one else has a national profile from a previous run. Lets see who catches fire and the imagination of Dems.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I want to see Holder run just to witness the collective right-wing aneurysm.
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Obama was our smartest president since Madison and Holder makes Obama look like an undergraduate. Holder, Warren, Klobuchar, and Harris debating would be like listening to a moot court at Harvard. But that could be a problem. The dummies really, really do not like smart people, and there are a sh-t ton of them.
 
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Smart people are wasting their intellect in politics.

Unless of course you are a supreme ruler, and can dictate policy.
 
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mookie1995 said:
Smart people are wasting their intellect in politics.

Unless of course you are a supreme ruler, and can dictate policy.
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Where have you gone, Marcus Aurelius? Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
 
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Kepler said:
Obama was our smartest president since Madison and Holder makes Obama look like an undergraduate. Holder, Warren, Klobuchar, and Harris debating would be like listening to a moot court at Harvard. But that could be a problem.
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That's always a problem for the left. "Actually, according to Hegel, the for-itself can only be actualized through the in-itself. So the individuation of the subject necessarily demands the transcendence of the..."
 
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