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2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

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Kepler said:
Obama was our smartest president since Madison and Holder makes Obama look like an undergraduate. Holder, Warren, Klobuchar, and Harris debating would be like listening to a moot court at Harvard. But that could be a problem. The dummies really, really do not like smart people, and there are a sh-t ton of them.
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There's one more problem:
Too many smart people do not grasp the concept of "know the audience" and say dumb (i.e. condescending) things at the worst times.

Case study: " ... basket of deplorables ... " She wasn't wrong. There's that deplorable fringe out there. But to cast it out for wide consumption made it a rallying cry for those wrongly tossed in the same basket.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
There's one more problem:
Too many smart people do not grasp the concept of "know the audience" and say dumb (i.e. condescending) things at the worst times.

Case study: " ... basket of deplorables ... " She wasn't wrong. There's that deplorable fringe out there. But to cast it out for wide consumption made it a rallying cry for those wrongly tossed in the same basket.
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Tribalism. The appearance to some of being 'strong'. That's strong enough to say anything and making it not matter. Of course, that's terrible for both leadership and governance.
 
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As someone posted, Sherrod Brown's bona fides are unquestionable. If he was the nominee I'd gladly vote for him and I wish the country was in a place where someone like Sherrod Brown would be electable as president. But having said that, he ain't got a chance.

I think he's low energy. He was on some short lists for VP in 2016 but folks realized he was much more valuable as a senator because had he left the senate (remember this was when most assumed the presidency was already Clinton's) he would be replaced by a republican appointee for the short term and his seat would likely be republican for the foreseeable future in Ohio, which make no mistake, is the reddest of red states outside those in the south or the white supremacist enclave of Idaho. But I also think the decision was made for other reasons. The fact is he won Ohio in part based on the power of his incumbency, moreso than a lot of other candidates who won re-election.

His win -- not that it matters a lot now because he did win -- was by a much smaller margin than almost all the polls showed. he also benefitted from the lack of willingness for the republican party to do much of anything to aid Renacci.

Of course with a real democratic machine behind him, and not the tattered remnants of the one masquerading as a political party in Ohio, maybe he'd have a chance were he to wake up long enough to win the nomination. On the eve of election day though, one of the people canvassing on my watch knocked on his door. He answered in a bathrobe. he wasn't campaigning for himself or other democrats. That's why I think he's a bit low energy.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
That's always a problem for the left. "Actually, according to Hegel, the for-itself can only be actualized through the in-itself. So the individuation of the subject necessarily demands the transcendence of the..."
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Certainly. Science sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic and learning sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from bullsh-t. Especially when translated from German.

I don't blame the cattle for distrusting Hegel. I distrust him myself. Kant is even harder. But the mistake the dummies make is that something above them is meaningless. They mistake their personal limits for the limits of reason. Sometimes, a treatise is nonsense (cough, Heidegger) but sometimes the listener is just too short to reach the adults table.
 
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Kepler said:
It's funny that despite our many differences we really only hate the same two candidates.

My own categorizations:

CA Garcetti -- small fry, there are always some like this
CA Harris -- serious
CA Newsom -- serious
CA Steyer-- rich man's vanity candidacy
CA Swalwell -- media candidacy
CO Hickenlooper -- small fry
CT Murphy -- media
DC Holder -- serious though I doubt he'll run
DE Biden -- serous albeit ancient
HI Gabbard -- ridiculous candidacy
MA Moulton -- small fry
MA Patrick -- small fry
MA Warren -- serious
MD Delaney -- vanity
MN Klobuchar -- serious
NJ Booker -- serious
NY Bloomberg -- vanity
NY Cuomo -- not running
NY de Blasio -- small fry
NY Gillibrand -- serious
OH Brown -- serious
TX Castro -- media
TX O'Rourke -- media and yet serious, like Obama
VA Kaine -- establishment inertia candidacy
VA McAuliffe -- inertia
VT Sanders -- media
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Harris ain't got a chance, too short
she'd make a good VP though (Bill Clinton's dream VP -short enough to put your beer on her head while she gives you a BJ)
I wonder what cigar he'd pick for her?
 
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Kepler said:
It's funny that despite our many differences we really only hate the same two candidates.

My own categorizations:

CA Garcetti -- small fry, there are always some like this
CA Harris -- serious
CA Newsom -- serious
CA Steyer-- rich man's vanity candidacy
CA Swalwell -- media candidacy
CO Hickenlooper -- small fry
CT Murphy -- media
DC Holder -- serious though I doubt he'll run
DE Biden -- serous albeit ancient
HI Gabbard -- ridiculous candidacy
MA Moulton -- small fry
MA Patrick -- small fry
MA Warren -- serious
MD Delaney -- vanity
MN Klobuchar -- serious
NJ Booker -- serious
NY Bloomberg -- vanity
NY Cuomo -- not running
NY de Blasio -- small fry
NY Gillibrand -- serious
OH Brown -- serious
TX Castro -- media
TX O'Rourke -- media and yet serious, like Obama
VA Kaine -- establishment inertia candidacy
VA McAuliffe -- inertia
VT Sanders -- media
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Besides Hickenlooper, who else on that list has been a governor? McAuliffe?
After that, yes, Bloomberg and de Blasio have been mayor of a city that's more expansive (population and budget wise) than some states.

I still like Klobuchar out of that list but she lacks time in the executive chair.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Besides Hickenlooper, who else on that list has been a governor? McAuliffe?
After that, yes, Bloomberg and de Blasio have been mayor of a city that's more expansive (population and budget wise) than some states.

I still like Klobuchar out of that list but she lacks time in the executive chair.
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The last president who had been a governor was Dubya. How'd that work out?
 
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Kepler said:
The last president who had been a governor was Dubya. How'd that work out?
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I'm not saying it's a perfect criteria; I am saying it gives me a chance to see how they operate as a constitutional executive (albeit at state level).
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I'm not saying it's a perfect criteria; I am saying it gives me a chance to see how they operate as a constitutional executive (albeit at state level).
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I understand, but I think the Presidency has so diverged from the standard profile of an "executive" position that it no longer resembles anything. It is sui generis.
 
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Kepler said:
... the Presidency has so diverged from the standard profile of an "executive" position that it no longer resembles anything. It is sui generis.
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It's become cult-of-personality and the focus where in reality the role (per the Constitution) was to be more "city manager" and the focus was supposed to be the city commission (Congress)*. That started with mass media (FDR fireside) and continually progressed in not a good way.


*Congress declares war; President goes and takes action; Congress sets budgets (... all spending bills ... the House ...); President runs the budgets. Congress should be front and center, not the President.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
It's become cult-of-personality and the focus where in reality the role (per the Constitution) was to be more "city manager" and the focus was supposed to be the city commission (Congress)*. That started with mass media (FDR fireside) and continually progressed in not a good way.


*Congress declares war; President goes and takes action; Congress sets budgets (... all spending bills ... the House ...); President runs the budgets. Congress should be front and center, not the President.
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Ironically the position it is closest to at this point is King in a constitutional monarchy. There are elective constitutional monarchies -- The Papacy is the most famous, also Malaysia and everybody's favorite, Territoire des îles Wallis-et-Futuna.
 
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