2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

[Kepler]

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All you need to do is get on Twitter. The Bernouts are all on there and they're all still butthurt and ready to destroy the Democrat party over it. They're the ones that need convincing. Not me.

Dude, it's Twitter. It's the hundred monkeys with keyboards. They don't confirm anything about the real world except there is a normal distribution of intelligence and the far low tail is on Twitter.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Dude, it's Twitter. It's the hundred monkeys with keyboards. They don't confirm anything about the real world except there is a normal distribution of intelligence and the far low tail is on Twitter.

Those hundred monkeys via Facebook changed the course of US History for the next 100 years (Gorsuch). You have so much to learn dude. For being so intelligent (and, yes, I think you're mad smart) you have the biggest blinders on of everyone here.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Thing that would help is if those on the left would please stop criticizing Obama.

If he's in office and you have some constructive comments to improve things...great. But as he's out of office...simple, vague slams serve no purpose but to echo right wing media and weaken alternatives to the right.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Thing that would help is if those on the left would please stop criticizing Obama.

If he's in office and you have some constructive comments to improve things...great. But as he's out of office...simple, vague slams serve no purpose but to echo right wing media and weaken alternatives to the right.

They hate Obama. Remember, he didn't accomplish anything and Trump's getting it all done now that he has full power. Obama did nothing.

 

[Kepler]

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Those hundred monkeys via Facebook changed the course of US History for the next 100 years (Gorsuch).

So you are arguing the hundred monkeys greatly influenced a thousand people who then somewhat influenced ten thousand and so on, and by the time the ripple dissipated it had influenced enough people to change the election results?

In all honesty, I hadn't thought of it quite that way.

That does imply, of course, that the opposite is also possible. That a hundred Good people could actually -- practically -- literally save the world.

OK, I'll buy that model.

 

[Kepler]

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They hate Obama. Remember, he didn't accomplish anything and Trump's getting it all done now that he has full power. Obama did nothing.

Stahp. I love Obama and I recognize what he had to contend with. I am proud of him like no other president in my lifetime.

When you think of liberals, think of them like me.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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So you are arguing the hundred monkeys greatly influenced a thousand people who then somewhat influenced ten thousand and so on, and by the time the ripple dissipated it had influenced enough people to change the election results?

In all honesty, I hadn't thought of it quite that way.

That does imply, of course, that the opposite is also possible. That a hundred Good people could actually -- practically -- literally save the world.

OK, I'll buy that model.

They could have. But instead they took their ball and went home.

 

[Handyman]

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Stahp. I love Obama and I recognize what he had to contend with. I am proud of him like no other president in my lifetime.

When you think of liberals, think of them like me.

They arent like you they are closer to trix and his weirdly misguided theories. The liberals you are thinking of are dying out just like the Goldwater Republicans.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Except Bernie held his own with White voters. He absolutely got destroyed on the African-American vote. Either they all voted against him, or he couldn't bring out younger Blacks in the same proportion as younger Whites. Either way, that's on him.

Not saying it wasn't on him (it was, I don't think he lost because it was "rigged" or w.e), just saying that it was more of a young vs old thing than a black voter issue.

 

[trixR4kids]

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A few more points:
2) Saying "economic liberalism" is the cure for the problems of non-whites smacks of elitism that even I can see from the back of my limo, and that's saying something. Non-whites, particularly, blacks are concerned that they and their kids are going to get gunned down while unarmed at a traffic stop. Sanders to my knowledge really made no connection with that angst beyond the vague promise that taxing the rich back to the Stone Age would help them out with all that. Oh, and trix the Dem primary skews non-white as a whole. I think 40% of primary Dem voters are in fact non-white. This is going to be a major factor to help determine who the 2020 nominee is at it helped pick from the 2008 and 2016 nominees.

Pretty sure economics is the bigger issue but yes police gunning (primarily black) people down is also an issue obviously that they're very concerned about. I actually watched that Netflix series Rapture and T.I. was going around talking to black activists and other civil rights activists trying to do what he can to do whatever he can to help with this issue.

As far as Bernie he has plans to demilitarize the police, body cameras, and a slew of other things revolving around that issue. Perhaps he needed to emphasize that stuff more but honestly I think economics is still the #1 issue for most people seeing as half the country is at the poverty line or below.

Also I agree and think you're right that police discrimination would still exist towards blacks even if they were more or less on par with whites in terms of economics.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Kepler has a weird blindspot about this. He thinks cause he and I (and millions of others obviously) made the switch that they all did. That isnt true. It isnt as many as Rover makes it out to be but I bet if you took all of them and put them in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan Hillary is President right now. That is the problem...some voted for the Potzker or the Conspiracy Theorist cause voting third party is so edgy and some just stayed home. They dont deny it either...

And this point is stupid because Obama had twice as many HRC voters switch to McCain and still won. It's completely missing the point, that's gonna happen in every election. You need to turn out your base and she didn't get that to happen. It's funny how people keep saying that Bernie lost fair and square and needed to do better in certain areas and then when it comes to her they do a complete 180 and blame Bernie voters and dem "laziness" lmao.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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And this point is stupid because Obama had twice as many HRC voters switch to McCain and still won. It's completely missing the point, that's gonna happen in every election. You need to turn out your base and she didn't get that to happen. It's funny how people keep saying that Bernie lost fair and square and needed to do better in certain areas and then when it comes to her they do a complete 180 and blame Bernie voters and dem "laziness" lmao.

No one gave her a pass on that. Least of all me. I was ****ED that she got sucked into thinking Georgia and Arizona were in play. And I was ****ED that she spent way too much time believing Republicans were going to cross over and vote for her. The Democratic Party needed to step up the local get out of the vote efforts. They thought they had it in the bad. Their arrogance cost them the Supreme Court for the next 100 years. I have no sympathy for any of them.

It's in with the million reasons she lost. They all contributed.

 

[trixR4kids]

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No one gave her a pass on that. Least of all me. I was ****ED that she got sucked into thinking Georgia and Arizona were in play. And I was ****ED that she spent way too much time believing Republicans were going to cross over and vote for her. The Democratic Party needed to step up the local get out of the vote efforts. They thought they had it in the bad. Their arrogance cost them the Supreme Court for the next 100 years. I have no sympathy for any of them.

It's in with the million reasons she lost. They all contributed.

Of course but citing the people who flipped is kinda dumb seeing as it's (as far as I can tell) a constant across elections. I'm sure there were some who voted for Bob Dole instead of Bill Clinton back in the day and same on the Republican side for the Bush's. It's gotta be down in the 100's as far as the reasons she lost and people cite it as like a top 5 reason or something which is laughable. And it's hilariously hypocritical seeing as twice as many of her voters voted for McCain over Obama.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Of course but citing the people who flipped is kinda dumb seeing as it's (as far as I can tell) a constant across elections. I'm sure there were some who voted for Bob Dole instead of Bill Clinton back in the day and same on the Republican side for the Bush's. It's gotta be down in the 100's as far as the reasons she lost and people cite it as like a top 5 reason or something which is laughable. And it's hilariously hypocritical seeing as twice as many of her voters voted for McCain over Obama.

Boy, you're really hung up on that huh. I don't care. As far as I'm concerned every one of the million reasons is equally culpable. You're trying to grade them all. Like ones worse than the other. I don't buy that for a minute.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Because saying they're equally culpable makes about as much sense as the BSABVR logic.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Because saying they're equally culpable makes about as much sense as the BSABVR logic.

Good God this nation is hopeless.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Even if you think they're equally culpable the party needs to focus on what they actually have control over. Their policies and how they campaign are things they can and should make changes to. Re-litigating the 2016 primary isn't exactly going to get them in power.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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she got sucked into thinking Georgia and Arizona were in play. And I was ****ED that she spent way too much time believing Republicans were going to cross over and vote for her.

That was the best part of the whole $()%* up.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Republicans are going to run against Clinton.

NEW YORK — Almost 18 months have passed since Hillary Clinton lost the presidency. She holds no position of power in government. And she is not expected to run for office again.

Yet Clinton is starring in the Republican Party's 2018 midterm strategy.

With control of Congress up for grabs this fall, the GOP's most powerful players are preparing to spend big on plans to feature Clinton as a central villain in attack ads against vulnerable Democrats nationwide. The strategy, which already has popped up in races in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Dakota, illustrates the resilience and political potency of Republican voters' antipathy for Clinton. As difficult as it's been for Democrats to move past the Clinton era, it may be even harder for Republicans.

"STOP HILLARY. STOP PELOSI. STOP LAMB," read pamphlets circulated during the special election in Pennsylvania earlier this year.

"I promise you that you'll continue to see it — Hillary Clinton starring in our paid media. She's a very powerful motivator," said Corry Bliss, who leads the Congressional Leadership Fund, a Republican super political action committee ready to spend tens of millions of dollars to shape House races this fall. "It's about what she represents. What she represents, just like what Nancy Pelosi represents, is out-of-touch far-left liberal positions."

Isn't that interesting. I thought Clinton was just another right winger.

 

[Handyman]

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Wow...they are freaking out!