2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

I don't know if that represented changes of voters or just changing demographics of areas. In NoVa, for example, the Olds are just as racist and hidebound as they always were. The new people are all liberals from tier 1 universities and there are simply so many of us that we've bulldozed the Olds.

Uneducated, poor whites are lost to the Democratic party forever. We should stop stopping over for them wherever we can. We should announce a statement of principles where we differ from the orcs:

1. Democrats believe in gender equality; Republicans believe in misogyny.
2. Democrats believe in racial equality; Republicans believe in white supremacy.
3. Democrats believe science should determine policy. Republicans believe culture should determine policy.
4. Democrats believe facts are truth. Republicans believe faith is truth.

This sums it up right here.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

No one has mentioned appealing to Republicans. We are talking about appealing to the people who didnt vote or vote for Dump for reasons other than Party.

The way you don't appeal to people who didn't vote is give them the same old plate of warmed over sh-t. That's why they didn't vote in the first place.

 

[Handyman]

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Every time you go on there you validate Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Tucker Carlson. That helps no one.

And by not going there you are somehow invalidating them? Been working well so far Faux's ratings keep rising and they keep spreading their hate. And no one who watches hears anything except what they want them to hear.

I hate to tell you this, but they are already validated. The Dems badmouthing them and their fans and ignoring them is doing as much harm.

 

[Rover]

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No one has mentioned appealing to Republicans. We are talking about appealing to the people who didnt vote or vote for Dump for reasons other than Party. Not the same thing no matter how much you and Scooby want it to be.

Sorry Handy but voting for Trump (or not voting at all) isn't like voting for George HW Bush. Trump is openly trafficking in racism. He's way underqualified for the job. He's corrupt as all hell. His mental stability is an open question even amongst the people that work for him. If anybody's still doing whataboutisms and BSABSVR in 2019 they're hopeless in terms of voting. What more evidence do you need to show at this point? Repeat after me: The entire Republican party is a treasonous money laundering cult. I'd like the party to focus on the educated people who can factually assess that instead of appealing to people who think twice divorced porn star banger Donald Trump was put in the WH by God.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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They way you don't appeal to people who didn't vote is give them the same old plate of warmed over sh-t. That's why they didn't vote in the first place.

Yes. And we're at 40+ years of that warmed over ****.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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And by not going there you are somehow invalidating them? Been working well so far Faux's ratings keep rising and they keep spreading their hate. And no one who watches hears anything except what they want them to hear.

I hate to tell you this, but they are already validated. The Dems badmouthing them and their fans and ignoring them is doing as much harm.

Not by anyone with a functioning cortex they're not.

 

[Handyman]

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Warren helped herself by being the one Dem not afraid to call out the media. Fox isn't like CNN. Fox is Pravda, a public mouthpiece for a corrupt party. CNN is like radio America - boring, vanilla and dedicated to not being seen as partisan (and hence easily manipulated).

You are correct that Fox isn't going anywhere, but the entire conservative movement in this country - from Chump to Fox to the NRA to Trump Humpers and everybody in between needs to be considered part of a treasonous money laundering cult who would take money from the Taliban if the check was big enough. That's how you get the educated voters to continue to migrate over to the Dems - the people who believe in crazy stuff like science for example.

Oh good for her...she can put that on her web site when she endorses the candidate who wins the nomination.

 

[Rover]

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The way you don't appeal to people who didn't vote is give them the same old plate of warmed over sh-t. That's why they didn't vote in the first place.

Then they get what they deserve. There are big, BIG differences between electing Dems and electing Republicans, even if you don't agree with every policy the Dems pursue. Anyone too stupid to understand that should take it in the shorts frankly. 2020 might be a good time to learn that the world doesn't revolve around them nor does it exist to satisfy their every desire.

Now Kep, tell me again how Hillary would have appointed Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the SCOTUS!

 

[Kepler]

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Yes. And we're at 40+ years of that warmed over ****.

Obama was an exception, and he was wildly popular. Obama channeled the sort of idealism and intelligence we need. He wasn't able to enact meaningful policy because the GOP has turned into a terrorist organization over the last 25 years, but at least he had the right intentions.

It does say something that leftism has been successfully kept from power by the Plutes for nearly 50 years. Obviously they had all the enormous advantages that wealth, fear, and the general stupidity of the populace can afford, but that's a long enough run that we should recognize that smart policy will probably always be a long shot in this country.

 

[Kepler]

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Now Kep, tell me again how Hillary would have appointed Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the SCOTUS!

You do realize that with this Senate Hillary's nominees would never have been seated, right?

Mitch's bankrollers would have told him no federal judgeships, period.

And that will of course happen from now on whenever there is a GOP Senate. Forever. Republicans are no longer Americans. They have made that clear.

The only way anything positive happens in this country, ever again, is clean sweep Dem rule. At all other times it will be what we have right now, because that's what benefits the .01% the most.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Obama was an exception, and he was wildly popular. Obama channeled the sort of idealism and intelligence we need. He wasn't able to enact meaningful policy because the GOP has turned into a terrorist organization over the last 25 years, but at least he had the right intentions.

It does say something that leftism has been successfully kept from power by the Plutes for nearly 50 years. Obviously they had all the enormous advantages that wealth, fear, and the general stupidity of the populace can afford, but that's a long enough run that we should recognize that smart policy will probably always be a long shot in this country.

Obama was great. But they effectively neutered him. Even Obamacare was neutered and that was passed with Senate and House Control. The Democrats have never been able to neuter a Republican. They still can't even with the House.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

You do realize that with this Senate Hillary's nominees would never have been seated, right?

I do.

 

[Rover]

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You do realize that with this Senate Hillary's nominees would never have been seated, right?

Then the court would have a 4-3 liberal majority, no?

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Then they get what they deserve.

I'm already on record saying we need to cut them loose. The white working class is not our friend and it will never be. Send the lifeguards to the people who won't try to kill them when they show up. Let the "rugged individualists" live without the government aid they despise so much. Saving terrorists is no longer on my To Do list.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

You do realize that with this Senate Hillary's nominees would never have been seated, right?

Mitch's bankrollers would have told him no federal judgeships, period.

And that will of course happen from now on whenever there is a GOP Senate. Forever. Republicans are no longer Americans. They have made that clear.

The only way anything positive happens in this country, ever again, is clean sweep Dem rule. At all other times it will be what we have right now, because that's what benefits the .01% the most.

Clean sweep includes either elimination of the filibuster or a filibuster proof majority.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Then the court would have a 4-3 liberal majority, no?

It would still be 4-4. Kennedy wouldn't have been able to cut his deal.

And yes of course either situation is far preferable to what we have now.

 

[Kepler]

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Clean sweep includes either elimination of the filibuster or a filibuster proof majority.

I'd get rid of the Senate completely, but, sure, baby steps.

 

[mookie1995]

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Obama channeled the sort of idealism and intelligence we need...

"hmmm, this is good water! can i get a glass of water?"

 

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

It does say something that leftism has been successfully kept from power by the Plutes for nearly 50 years. Obviously they had all the enormous advantages that wealth, fear, and the general stupidity of the populace can afford, but that's a long enough run that we should recognize that smart policy will probably always be a long shot in this country.

You spend too much time IMHO looking at the last 50 years as one continuous era.

Goopers had their initial heyday from like 1980 on, much like their counterparts in the UK, because the post war generation of whiny narcissists became the dominant voting block. Disaster ensued, with both Reagan-Bush and Thatcher winning big 3 straight times. Those were dark days.

That run of power ended with two similar lefties - Clinton and Blair, who started a New Left movement that incorporated some conservative elements as needed since it was still vital to peel off some righty Boomer voters and combine them with the upcoming more liberal Gen X'ers. It was beyond important for the left in both of these countries that these individuals came along when they did and won and were then re-elected. Tax hikes for the rich, gun control, and health care expansion were all passed into law at this time.

Post Clinton/Blair, the right became radicalized while the left become indifferent. USA conservatives essentially became loons, white supremacists and authoritarians. We started to see coup attempts (impeachment), voter suppression laws not seen since the 1960's, and after the remaining WWII vets left the scene, a group that collectively put party over country. In the meantime too many lefties wallowed in their disappointment of not seeing an immediate return to the 60's. But, knucks couldn't completely overcome demographic change. So what you have now is a stalemate. When the left decides to engage (2006, 2008, 2018) they win big. When they sit out, the radicalized right takes over because they ALWAYS turn out.

Look at the #'s. Presidential elections since 1992 (the last big realignment) has seen 4 Dems win vs 3 GOP. But, the Senate has been 12 D to 16 R (going out through 2020 elections). House has been 8 D to 20 R. The lesson here is the left isn't showing up regularly for mid term elections where the House and Senate are won. Part of this are horrific decisions like turfing Howard Dean and his 50 state strategy, or refusing to answer the plutes when they started throwing huge money into downballot races. But part of it is that the Dems are not a cult unlike their counterparts. Until everybody to the left of Chump and the cult realizes that the worst Dem is better than the best Republican and starts voting Dem accordingly I'd expect that stalemate to continue for the foreseeable future. Republicans aren't doing anything that good old fashioned voting can't overcome, even their playing kiss @ ss with Putin and the Russian intelligence services.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

You spend too much time IMHO looking at the last 50 years as one continuous era.

Goopers had their initial heyday from like 1980 on, much like their counterparts in the UK, because the post war generation of whiny narcissists became the dominant voting block. Disaster ensued, with both Reagan-Bush and Thatcher winning big 3 straight times. Those were dark days.

That run of power ended with two similar lefties - Clinton and Blair, who started a New Left movement that incorporated some conservative elements as needed since it was still vital to peel off some righty Boomer voters and combine them with the upcoming more liberal Gen X'ers. It was beyond important for the left in both of these countries that these individuals came along when they did and won and were then re-elected. Tax hikes for the rich, gun control, and health care expansion were all passed into law at this time.

Post Clinton/Blair, the right became radicalized while the left become indifferent. USA conservatives essentially became loons, white supremacists and authoritarians. We started to see coup attempts (impeachment), voter suppression laws not seen since the 1960's, and after the remaining WWII vets left the scene, a group that collectively put party over country. In the meantime too many lefties wallowed in their disappointment of not seeing an immediate return to the 60's. But, knucks couldn't completely overcome demographic change. So what you have now is a stalemate. When the left decides to engage (2006, 2008, 2018) they win big. When they sit out, the radicalized right takes over because they ALWAYS turn out.

Look at the #'s. Presidential elections since 1992 (the last big realignment) has seen 4 Dems win vs 3 GOP. But, the Senate has been 12 D to 16 R (going out through 2020 elections). House has been 8 D to 20 R. The lesson here is the left isn't showing up regularly for mid term elections where the House and Senate are won. Part of this are horrific decisions like turfing Howard Dean and his 50 state strategy, or refusing to answer the plutes when they started throwing huge money into downballot races. But part of it is that the Dems are not a cult unlike their counterparts. Until everybody to the left of Chump and the cult realizes that the worst Dem is better than the best Republican and starts voting Dem accordingly I'd expect that stalemate to continue for the foreseeable future. Republicans aren't doing anything that good old fashioned voting can't overcome, even their playing kiss @ ss with Putin and the Russian intelligence services.

I agree with most of this but it can comfortably co-exist with my contentions.