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2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
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ticapnews
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
The 2020 regional sites should be announced after the Frozen Four. UMaine has bid to host in 2020 and 2021 in Portland. The bid to host for 2019 was rejected.
The 2020 regional sites should be announced after the Frozen Four. UMaine has bid to host in 2020 and 2021 in Portland. The bid to host for 2019 was rejected.
Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
Thank you for the info. I believe when UMaine applied for the 2019 Regional and was rejected they had not done the renovation to the Arena yet.
Thank you for the info. I believe when UMaine applied for the 2019 Regional and was rejected they had not done the renovation to the Arena yet.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
ticapnews
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
No. We know Portland and Bridgeport have bid to host 2020.
ETA: Loveland, Colorado has also submitted a bid. No, this isn't an April Fool's joke.
No. We know Portland and Bridgeport have bid to host 2020.
ETA: Loveland, Colorado has also submitted a bid. No, this isn't an April Fool's joke.
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I’ve been waiting for that cuz I know that’s where the Eagles minor league team plays so can’t be a terrible venue. Also hoping World Arena gets some bids when CC gets their new campus arena
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
I have a full list of frozen four bids going back decades, but I don’t know of a reliable source for regional bids.
If anyone knows of any, let me know.
I have a full list of frozen four bids going back decades, but I don’t know of a reliable source for regional bids.
If anyone knows of any, let me know.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
I’ve a spreadsheet looking at this, and it honestly seems like the closest fan base (and not much about the other three) is the biggest indicator for attendance. So… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’ve a spreadsheet looking at this, and it honestly seems like the closest fan base (and not much about the other three) is the biggest indicator for attendance. So… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
| City | Games | Avg. Regional Attendance | Avg. Capacity | Avg. % | Avg Participant Home Attendance | Avg Participant Distance to Venue | Avg. Closest Team |
| Albany, NY | 15 | 4613 | 14236 | 32.4% | 3,881 | 373 | 206 |
| Allentown, PA | 3 | 6702 | 8420 | 79.6% | 4,916 | 439 | 101 |
| Amherst, MA | 3 | 3562 | 8387 | 42.5% | 3,832 | 851 | 542 |
| Ann Arbor, MI | 3 | 6792 | 5800 | 117.1% | 3,268 | 376 | 9 |
| Bridgeport, CT | 15 | 6623 | 8412 | 78.7% | 3,280 | 436 | 171 |
| Cincinnati, OH | 9 | 4837 | 14453 | 33.5% | 5,445 | 612 | 466 |
| Colorado Springs, CO | 6 | 5881 | 8000 | 73.5% | 4,938 | 915 | 387 |
| Denver, CO | 3 | 11183 | 18007 | 62.1% | 6,727 | 682 | 356 |
| Fargo, ND | 6 | 5265 | 5000 | 105.3% | 6,170 | 481 | 127 |
| Fort Wayne, IN | 3 | 3823 | 10480 | 36.5% | 3,180 | 306 | 130 |
| Grand Forks, ND | 3 | 11266 | 11643 | 96.8% | 6,464 | 533 | 106 |
| Grand Rapids, MI | 15 | 4404 | 11000 | 40.0% | 4,958 | 434 | 230 |
| Green Bay, WI | 9 | 5161 | 8709 | 59.3% | 4,970 | 639 | 424 |
| Madison, WI | 3 | 9917 | 15359 | 64.6% | 7,217 | 510 | 194 |
| Manchester, NH | 21 | 7360 | 9852 | 74.7% | 4,879 | 456 | 149 |
| Minneapolis, MN | 9 | 8764 | 10000 | 87.6% | 4,986 | 565 | 231 |
| Providence, RI | 12 | 6425 | 14000 | 45.9% | 3,312 | 435 | 128 |
| Rochester, NY | 3 | 3765 | 11215 | 33.6% | 3,895 | 516 | 356 |
| Sioux Falls, SD | 3 | 8000 | 10678 | 74.9% | 4,060 | 305 | 182 |
| South Bend, IN | 3 | 3982 | 5022 | 79.3% | 3,167 | 588 | 522 |
| st. Louis, MO | 3 | 5024 | 18400 | 27.3% | 4,873 | 710 | 581 |
| St. Paul, MN | 12 | 7625 | 17954 | 42.5% | 5,055 | 428 | 154 |
| Toledo, OH | 3 | 2812 | 7389 | 38.1% | 4,021 | 350 | 170 |
| Worcester, MA | 27 | 7090 | 12239 | 57.9% | 4,293 | 516 | 81 |
cetihcra
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
I think it would be fine there every 3-5 years...not every year or every other year like the northeastern Regionals. It's a smaller building, which helps.
r
I think it would be fine there every 3-5 years...not every year or every other year like the northeastern Regionals. It's a smaller building, which helps.
r
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
It seats all of 5,289 for hockey, so… it’d better sell out.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
Oh yeah, Lewiston. I knew that...
The same arena where Ali knocked out Sonny Liston on the "phantom punch."
Oh yeah, Lewiston. I knew that...
The same arena where Ali knocked out Sonny Liston on the "phantom punch."
Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
Thanks, I guess. Didn't know there were gatekeepers here.
This is such a weak argument, that it really is borderline trolling. However, I'll respond, since I don't believe you are trolling. The above mentioned examples all have head-to-head playoff series, and except for NFL, go for more than one game. Furthermore, and more importantly, the seeding and home court advantage is based on much more balanced and fair schedules (other than the finals, of course) - meaning, the teams play roughly the same opponents in the regular season. How do you compare the record of PC and Mankato this year? I understand the committee has to go by something (RPI, PairWise, or whatever), but you can argue that that is flawed too. I looked at the record Mankato had against the 16 tourney teams - 1 tie and 3 losses. PC - 3 wins, 1 tie and 4 losses. Mankato 4 games against tourney teams, PC had 8 games (one of the wins came against a Frozen Four bound team). Add the playoffs and the regionals into the mix and Mankato adds 1OT win and 1 loss, while PC adds another 2 wins. So there, you want to go by PairWise, fine, to me this was in no way 3 vs. 14 matchup.
I am. I think it's great for college hockey popularity.
Yes, except that I do have a little bit of an insider information, and the demand for fairness is not what you think it is. I'll respond to this separately.
Okay, call it "spirited" - name calling (in advance) someone who doesn't agree with you is "spirited" to some folks.
The problem with your "bonus" example is that you want to give it on a "mutually exclusive basis". You want to give it to some, but not all. Performance bonus at work does not work like that (or very rarely does). You guys keep talking about unfair 1 vs 4 matchup. Why not 2 vs 3? There is absolutely no fair system that would place an Eastern number 2 seed in Western bracket facing number 3 coming from the West (and, even worse, vice versa - put BC or BU in the east (Worcester, Providence, Manchester) and they are automatically given an advantage.
With that being said, I challenge you to give me an alternative 16 team bracket for this year, with these NCAA requirements:
1. Protect the bracket integrity (i.e. keep 1-16, 2-15, etc.)
2. Avoid interconference matchups.
3. Put the top seeds closer to home
4. … (let's waive the attendance consideration)
I guarantee you you will not find a perfect bracket. The committee did the right thing this year.
Thanks, I guess. Didn't know there were gatekeepers here.
This is such a weak argument, that it really is borderline trolling. However, I'll respond, since I don't believe you are trolling. The above mentioned examples all have head-to-head playoff series, and except for NFL, go for more than one game. Furthermore, and more importantly, the seeding and home court advantage is based on much more balanced and fair schedules (other than the finals, of course) - meaning, the teams play roughly the same opponents in the regular season. How do you compare the record of PC and Mankato this year? I understand the committee has to go by something (RPI, PairWise, or whatever), but you can argue that that is flawed too. I looked at the record Mankato had against the 16 tourney teams - 1 tie and 3 losses. PC - 3 wins, 1 tie and 4 losses. Mankato 4 games against tourney teams, PC had 8 games (one of the wins came against a Frozen Four bound team). Add the playoffs and the regionals into the mix and Mankato adds 1OT win and 1 loss, while PC adds another 2 wins. So there, you want to go by PairWise, fine, to me this was in no way 3 vs. 14 matchup.
I am. I think it's great for college hockey popularity.
Yes, except that I do have a little bit of an insider information, and the demand for fairness is not what you think it is. I'll respond to this separately.
Okay, call it "spirited" - name calling (in advance) someone who doesn't agree with you is "spirited" to some folks.
The problem with your "bonus" example is that you want to give it on a "mutually exclusive basis". You want to give it to some, but not all. Performance bonus at work does not work like that (or very rarely does). You guys keep talking about unfair 1 vs 4 matchup. Why not 2 vs 3? There is absolutely no fair system that would place an Eastern number 2 seed in Western bracket facing number 3 coming from the West (and, even worse, vice versa - put BC or BU in the east (Worcester, Providence, Manchester) and they are automatically given an advantage.
With that being said, I challenge you to give me an alternative 16 team bracket for this year, with these NCAA requirements:
1. Protect the bracket integrity (i.e. keep 1-16, 2-15, etc.)
2. Avoid interconference matchups.
3. Put the top seeds closer to home
4. … (let's waive the attendance consideration)
I guarantee you you will not find a perfect bracket. The committee did the right thing this year.
cetihcra
New member
Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
About the only thing they could have done is flip the two eastern Regionals...and geographically, they should have. Mankato is like 30 miles closer to Manchester than to Providence (by great circle flight distance). As the overall #3, they should have been placed in Manchvegas, along with their entire Regional. The bracket was perfect this year, other than that flip.
r
About the only thing they could have done is flip the two eastern Regionals...and geographically, they should have. Mankato is like 30 miles closer to Manchester than to Providence (by great circle flight distance). As the overall #3, they should have been placed in Manchvegas, along with their entire Regional. The bracket was perfect this year, other than that flip.
r
Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
What I am going to say here is based on my conversation with an AD from a Hockey East school (I'd rather not name him/her). And by the way, you guys often say "ask the coaches what would they prefer" - that's fine, but the coaches' preferences and opinions are really secondary (or borderline irrelevant). It's really between the ADs (running the business that we call college sports) and the NCAA.
Anyway, the unfairness came down not to unfairness in any given year, but the NCAA's unwillingness to spread the (un)fairness on a rotational basis. In case of Hockey East teams, NCAA was willing and ready to host the regionals at Conte (BC) and Agganis (BU), but said that is quite unlikely they would organize a tournament at the Whittemore (UNH, no hotel capacity), extremely unlikely at the Alfond (Maine, same issue, plus remoteness) and absolutely zero chance at Schneider (Providence, arena too small).
Naturally, what became an issue is not the competitive advantage, but the revenue sharing. While some progress was made there, they did not come up with a model that would share the tourney revenue among all participating schools (in a situation where there is one host, and most teams not making to the tournament at all).
Again, and again, it's the money game. Without the money and revenue, college hockey goes back to obscurity.
p.s. Hockey East tournament is always played at the Garden (in a city that is home to 3 HE teams). There are never complaints about the fairness of this setup. It's great for hockey, the attendance is awesome and local media exposure is there.
What I am going to say here is based on my conversation with an AD from a Hockey East school (I'd rather not name him/her). And by the way, you guys often say "ask the coaches what would they prefer" - that's fine, but the coaches' preferences and opinions are really secondary (or borderline irrelevant). It's really between the ADs (running the business that we call college sports) and the NCAA.
Anyway, the unfairness came down not to unfairness in any given year, but the NCAA's unwillingness to spread the (un)fairness on a rotational basis. In case of Hockey East teams, NCAA was willing and ready to host the regionals at Conte (BC) and Agganis (BU), but said that is quite unlikely they would organize a tournament at the Whittemore (UNH, no hotel capacity), extremely unlikely at the Alfond (Maine, same issue, plus remoteness) and absolutely zero chance at Schneider (Providence, arena too small).
Naturally, what became an issue is not the competitive advantage, but the revenue sharing. While some progress was made there, they did not come up with a model that would share the tourney revenue among all participating schools (in a situation where there is one host, and most teams not making to the tournament at all).
Again, and again, it's the money game. Without the money and revenue, college hockey goes back to obscurity.
p.s. Hockey East tournament is always played at the Garden (in a city that is home to 3 HE teams). There are never complaints about the fairness of this setup. It's great for hockey, the attendance is awesome and local media exposure is there.
Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
Which forgoes the revenue, but okay, we've decided to come up with scenarios that disregards that (although, just as a disclaimer, that's the number one criteria for the NCAA). So, even in that scenario, the home crowd advantage goes to PC - of course, not in the same numbers, but definitely more than 70 or so MSU fans that showed up in Providence would have cheered for PC in Manchester. Additionally, that would put number 2 seed (NU) in a location that is not as convenient as Providence (accessible by Boston's public transportation) - which goes back to my argument that, if you are going to reward #1 seeds, then you need to be fair and consider #2 seeds in their matchups against the #3s. The same scenario would reward Harvard over UMass (which was a higher seed), by placing that matchup in Providence.
Which forgoes the revenue, but okay, we've decided to come up with scenarios that disregards that (although, just as a disclaimer, that's the number one criteria for the NCAA). So, even in that scenario, the home crowd advantage goes to PC - of course, not in the same numbers, but definitely more than 70 or so MSU fans that showed up in Providence would have cheered for PC in Manchester. Additionally, that would put number 2 seed (NU) in a location that is not as convenient as Providence (accessible by Boston's public transportation) - which goes back to my argument that, if you are going to reward #1 seeds, then you need to be fair and consider #2 seeds in their matchups against the #3s. The same scenario would reward Harvard over UMass (which was a higher seed), by placing that matchup in Providence.
ticapnews
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
A flight is a flight so Mankato's distance is irrelevant. However, Amherst is closer to Providence than Manchester (by a few miles) so the brackets should have been flipped, but we all know why they weren't.