2019-20 pwr

[NUProf]

Re: 2019-20 pwr

It'll be interesting to see how CA's Fair Pay to Play Act impacts the status quo. If the vast majority of 5-star recruits in all of the major sports commit to USC, UCLA, Cal, et al in 2022, the NCAA will be seriously undermined, perhaps to the point of being (eventually) rendered moot.

While I certainly agree with the law in principle, its possible ramifications are Earth-shaking for all of college sports. (Perhaps not a bad thing, once the dust has settled.)

Colorado is considering similar legislation. The University of Colorado (oddly called CU and not U of C) AD has come out in FAVOR of the legislation.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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I will (oddly) take a bit of Fish's side on this issue. The NCAA is a huge enterprise, generating megabucks for its "college" basketball tournament. Many large enterprises try to utilize some of their surplus to fund parts of their operations that don't make money, but make the organization look good. The NCAA spends a whopping 3% of its budget on D3 sports, and some of that money comes from dues paid by D3 members. It wouldn't hurt them at all to even double their contribution to D3 - it might mean that Kansas, North Carolina, etc. would get reduced payouts from the bloated basketball fest, but with their revenues, I doubt they would even miss them. Fully funding D3 championships is the right thing to do, but you can trust the NCAA not to do the right thing in almost any circumstance. The hypocrisy of their "amateur" Division I programs is obvious.

I don't think there is anyone on this board who disagrees with Fish on this subject.

That was never my point. My point was a) Fish was directing his rant at the wrong people and b) I was pointing out to others that the NCAA has a budget for the playoffs which has nothing to do with the budget of schools for the regular season.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: 2019-20 pwr

It'll be interesting to see how CA's Fair Pay to Play Act impacts the status quo. If the vast majority of 5-star recruits in all of the major sports commit to USC, UCLA, Cal, et al in 2022, the NCAA will be seriously undermined, perhaps to the point of being (eventually) rendered moot.

I have heard some schools may refuse to play CA schools because they no longer will be playing on the same field with the same rules, not to mention they wouldn't be following NCAA rules. California, however, understood this, and delayed the implementation of the law in the hopes that the NCAA will "fix" the problem and come up with a solution. Yet, other states who are considering a similar law are considering immediate implementation.

While I certainly agree with the law in principle, its possible ramifications are Earth-shaking for all of college sports. (Perhaps not a bad thing, once the dust has settled.)

Which brings us to this point. Ultimately, this will cause a massive shaking out of college sports, and I think eventually it will all come together with an agreeable set of rules which will appease everyone. It's just going to take a lot of angst and arm twisting to get there.

 

[NUProf]

Re: 2019-20 pwr

Which brings us to this point. Ultimately, this will cause a massive shaking out of college sports, and I think eventually it will all come together with an agreeable set of rules which will appease everyone. It's just going to take a lot of angst and arm twisting to get there.

I seriously doubt that the rules that are agreed upon will have much positive impact on D3. Definitely, the goal of the NCAA will be protecting the revenue stream that is the basketball tournament. The "power 5" conferences will use their influence to ensure that they keep getting the revenue from the BCS (or whatever it is called now) bowls. Nothing in this movement will benefit DII and DIII athletics. Division IA sports is just professional sports with an amateur facade.

 

[Fishman'81]

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Colorado is considering similar legislation. The University of Colorado (oddly called CU and not U of C) AD has come out in FAVOR of the legislation.

Imagine TX and FL following suit... Bedlam.

 

[joecct]

Imagine TX and FL following suit... Bedlam.

And if NYS followed suit.... crickets.

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: 2019-20 pwr

And if NYS followed suit.... crickets.

Not so much in terms of hoops.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Not so much in terms of hoops.

Even then, what do you have? Syracuse. That's it.

St. John's isn't anything like they used to be. Buffalo? Not really. Albany? Binghamton? St. Bonaventure? Iona? Manhattan? Colgate? Cornell? All non-entities these days in the college basketball world.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

4 weeks left.

Endicott at Williams vs. Norwich
Augsburg at Lake Forest vs. Eau Claire
Adrian at Hobart vs. Geneseo
Plymouth at Wilkes vs. Utica

 

[altazo]

4 weeks left.

Endicott at Williams vs. Norwich
Augsburg at Lake Forest vs. Eau Claire
Adrian at Hobart vs. Geneseo
Plymouth at Wilkes vs. Utica

Right now Marian is in front of Adrian in the PWR, and it looks like Utica is leading the UCHC, so it should be Wilkes that is out and 5 western teams in.

 

[jerrynu26]

Right now Marian is in front of Adrian in the PWR, and it looks like Utica is leading the UCHC, so it should be Wilkes that is out and 5 western teams in.

Utica shown as third in the standings, and Adrian with more points than Marian, so they would get the AQ in this discussion.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: 2019-20 pwr

Right now Marian is in front of Adrian in the PWR, and it looks like Utica is leading the UCHC, so it should be Wilkes that is out and 5 western teams in.

Adrian is in first place in the NCHA via 3 points head to head vs. Lake Forest.

Wilkes is in first place in the UCHC via sweeping Stevenson in their head to head matchups.

The bracket below reflects that.

The at-larges are Utica, Lake Forest, Eau Claire and Hobart.

 

[NUProf]

Re: 2019-20 pwr

Adrian is in first place in the NCHA via 3 points head to head vs. Lake Forest.

Wilkes is in first place in the UCHC via sweeping Stevenson in their head to head matchups.

The bracket below reflects that.

The at-larges are Utica, Lake Forest, Eau Claire and Hobart.

Where is "below"?

I'm curious how you see an 8-4 split being handled.

 

[Steve Day]

Re: 2019-20 pwr

Where is "below"?

I'm curious how you see an 8-4 split being handled.

See Post #69

 

[NUProf]

Re: 2019-20 pwr

See Post #69

See, I see that as above, so I'm a little terminology challenged here

Also, collegehockeystats shows Endicot and UNE tied with 34 pts in the CCC. and the conference homepage shows Endicot with 36 points and UNE with 32 points. Seems like collegehockeystats isn't on the same page as the people who put the standings up on the CCAthletics hockey home page. When you click on standings, it goes to collegehockeystats. So to paraphrase Abbot and Costello "who's IN first?"

And one final point (testing my understanding of the process as it now exists). Wouldn't Adrian be the #3 West seed and Hobart be the #4 East seed? In the old process the better regional seed would host a game between teams from different regions.

 

[NorthernBlight]

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See, I see that as above, so I'm a little terminology challenged here

Also, collegehockeystats shows Endicot and UNE tied with 34 pts in the CCC. and the conference homepage shows Endicot with 36 points and UNE with 32 points. Seems like collegehockeystats isn't on the same page as the people who put the standings up on the CCAthletics hockey home page. When you click on standings, it goes to collegehockeystats. So to paraphrase Abbot and Costello "who's IN first?"

And one final point (testing my understanding of the process as it now exists). Wouldn't Adrian be the #3 West seed and Hobart be the #4 East seed? In the old process the better regional seed would host a game between teams from different regions.

There are no regional seeds. If you can't understand the very basics just stop talking for a change.

 

[spwood]

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There are no regional seeds. If you can't understand the very basics just stop talking for a change.

Be nice....what did he do to you?

 

[altazo]

Adrian is in first place in the NCHA via 3 points head to head vs. Lake Forest.

Wilkes is in first place in the UCHC via sweeping Stevenson in their head to head matchups.

The bracket below reflects that.

The at-larges are Utica, Lake Forest, Eau Claire and Hobart.

Gotcha. For some reason I thought LFC still technically led the NCHA but you are absolutely correct. The only reason I thought Utica led the UCHC is because the UCHC website has it listed that way. It will all shake out soon enough and I am still optimistic the west will secure 4 bids.

 

[NUProf]

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Be nice....what did he do to you?

Maybe he's a disgruntled former student. Maybe somebody who failed calculus or stats.

I'm just trying to understand how what parts of the process have changed and what parts haven't since the adoption of the PWR. I do know that this is the second year of a two year trial of this process, and I didn't know how much of the process had been totally replaced, and how much was intact with the exception of the use of the PWR for selection/seeding.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: 2019-20 pwr

Maybe he's a disgruntled former student. Maybe somebody who failed calculus or stats.

I'm just trying to understand how what parts of the process have changed and what parts haven't since the adoption of the PWR. I do know that this is the second year of a two year trial of this process, and I didn't know how much of the process had been totally replaced, and how much was intact with the exception of the use of the PWR for selection/seeding.

There are no more east and west seeds because there are no more East and West rankings. It's all about the PWR. AQs and then the top four remaining teams in the PWR that didn't win their conference.

Then the bracket is constructed following the same rules, avoid flights in the first round and quarterfinal round if possible.

The bracket I constructed does that with the Adrian/Geneseo/Hobart triad. All three schools are within 500 miles of each other.