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2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

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Fishman'81 said:
Anything can happen in a given conference tournament, for instance, and a couple of upset wins in one of those those events can easily undo the RS, and award wildly exponential value to 2 or 3 games over a weekend. "A win is (not) a win" under this system; those two wins end-up > than the entire body of work that preceded them.
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Hell, anything can happen in the NCAA tournament as well. Norwich has a fantastic body of work over the course of the year at 21-1-3, but if they "laid an egg" in a quarter final matchup and failed to win that game, should they be awarded to proceed-on to the Semi-Final, based on their prior body of work?

Everyone is aware of what is required to get to the ultimate prize (as Prof detailed)... most importantly, WIN. Win now, win then, win later, win when you are "supposed to", win when you are not "supposed to"... just win. Win the AQ if available, or win enough games over the year to put yourself in a position to claim an at-large.

Is the burden greater for conference that do not have an AQ? Absolutely... but again, the teams in those conferences know that going-in to the year. They know you cannot "get hot" at the end of the season to get their chance to dance. Drop enough games over the course of the year, and you'll need to get a seat in the stands. Win.

Teams in conferences that have an AQ know that come conference tournament time, one loss will likely end their season. Advance to take their conference tournament, and they're dancing. Win.

Make it to the NCAA tournament... Win.

It's actually a pretty simple process, but sometimes difficult to do... Win.
 
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The Carnage scenario

NEC wins NEHC
Plattsburgh wins SUNYAC

Pool C is
Norwich
Oswego
SNC/Adrian loser
and most likely the Pool B runner up.
 
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joecct said:
The Carnage scenario

NEC wins NEHC
Plattsburgh wins SUNYAC

Pool C is
Norwich
Oswego
SNC/Adrian loser
and most likely the Pool B runner up.
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And it's a very good chance with that scenario that three of the 4 byes would go to Pool C teams with the 4th going to the SNC/Adrian winner.
 
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One ticket punched, but not sure of the route. Hobart wins the last ECAC-W hockey title 2-1 in overtime
 
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Should Adrian get a Pool C bid? They finish at 19-6-2 (1-4-2 against ranked opponents including 0-3-0 against SNC). Two years ago SNC coming off of a National Championship finished at 20-6-2 and didn't make the field where I thought a 4th team from the West should have been included in the field (instead of an 8-3 split).
 
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Here is what I have after tonight:

Augsburg at Stevens-Point
winner goes to St. Norbert

Adrian at Oswego
winner goes to Hobart (Hobart-Oswego comparison is really tight, teams could easily be switched)

Plattsburgh at Trinity/Hamilton loser
winner goes to Norwich

Salem St at Trinity/Hamilton winner
winner goes to Endicott

Thoughts?
 
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djack87 said:
Here is what I have after tonight:

Adrian at Oswego
winner goes to Hobart (Hobart-Oswego comparison is really tight, teams could easily be switched)

Plattsburgh at Trinity/Hamilton loser
winner goes to Norwich

Thoughts?
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Oz could expect better, but Hobart won their conference. Although titles don't factor into the decision process, as a fan, I wouldn't complain. At least the Laker faithful would make a short trip if they could knock off the Bulldogs.

Norwich would be less than thrilled at potentially seeing Platty again at this point, I would imagine...
 
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I'm not sure the Trin/Hamilton loser is a lock.

I posted this in the other thread



Looking at the East Rankings:


1 Norwich
2 Oswego State
3 Endicott
4 Hobart
5 Hamilton
6 Utica
7 Trinity
8 Williams
9 Amherst
10 Babson
Plattsburgh State

And the West Rankings

1 St. Norbert
2 UW-Stevens Point
3 Adrian
4 Augsburg
5 UW-Eau Claire

It's pretty clear that UWSP (B or C), Hobart (B or C), Adrian (C), and Oswego(C) are in. What we don't know is the last pool C


If Hamilton wins it comes down to Utica/Trinity/UWEC
If Trinity wins it comes down to Hamilton/Utica/UWEC

Looking at the metrics, that's how I would rank them, too.

Utica's stock rose because Augsburg won which meant they didn't have to be in the Pool C mix. Pretty interesting. I think it will be a little less controversial than in the past.

As long as I'm pontificating, I'll bet the byes go to
Norwich, Endicott, Hobart, and SNC. (Endicott and Hobart will jump over Oswego )

Hobart, Adrian, and Oswego will be a quarterfinal triad Since I project both Adrian and Oswego as #4 in their region, I'm not sure where that first round game would be played

SNC, Stevens Point and Augsburg will be a triad. (the first round game will be at UWSP).

The Norwich and Endicott triads will depend on the NESCAC result and the Pool C decision.

We will see how well my spitballing will do;
 
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djack87 said:
Here is what I have after tonight:

Augsburg at Stevens-Point
winner goes to St. Norbert

Adrian at Oswego
winner goes to Hobart (Hobart-Oswego comparison is really tight, teams could easily be switched)

Plattsburgh at Trinity/Hamilton loser
winner goes to Norwich

Salem St at Trinity/Hamilton winner
winner goes to Endicott

Thoughts?
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This is pretty much what I've got, although I do see a slim chance that Utica sneaks in over Trin-Trin if Hamilton wins today. Same bracket, but with Plattsburgh traveling to the Aud.
 
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NUProf said:
I'm not sure the Trin/Hamilton loser is a lock.

I posted this in the other thread



Looking at the East Rankings:


1 Norwich
2 Oswego State
3 Endicott
4 Hobart
5 Hamilton
6 Utica
7 Trinity
8 Williams
9 Amherst
10 Babson
Plattsburgh State

And the West Rankings

1 St. Norbert
2 UW-Stevens Point
3 Adrian
4 Augsburg
5 UW-Eau Claire

It's pretty clear that UWSP (B or C), Hobart (B or C), Adrian (C), and Oswego(C) are in. What we don't know is the last pool C


If Hamilton wins it comes down to Utica/Trinity/UWEC
If Trinity wins it comes down to Hamilton/Utica/UWEC

Looking at the metrics, that's how I would rank them, too.

Utica's stock rose because Augsburg won which meant they didn't have to be in the Pool C mix. Pretty interesting. I think it will be a little less controversial than in the past.

As long as I'm pontificating, I'll bet the byes go to
Norwich, Endicott, Hobart, and SNC. (Endicott and Hobart will jump over Oswego )

Hobart, Adrian, and Oswego will be a quarterfinal triad Since I project both Adrian and Oswego as #4 in their region, I'm not sure where that first round game would be played

SNC, Stevens Point and Augsburg will be a triad. (the first round game will be at UWSP).

The Norwich and Endicott triads will depend on the NESCAC result and the Pool C decision.

We will see how well my spitballing will do;
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While I don't have Utica in my mix, I'll defer to your knowledge of the process.

Assuming Hamilton wins today, is there any history that you know of to suspect that the committee might favor Utica over Trinity in an effort to boost (early) FF ticket sales?

Thanks.
 
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Hopefully when Endicott put their hosting bid in they included 1st and QF rounds.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
While I don't have Utica in my mix, I'll defer to your knowledge of the process.

Assuming Hamilton wins today, is there any history that you know of to suspect that the committee might favor Utica over Trinity in an effort to boost (early) FF ticket sales?

Thanks.
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I think it will be very close.

Utica would win WIN%,

SOS is really close - it was 0.5200 vs. 0.5230 in favor of Trinity going into the weekend, and I don't have the records to look at OOWP, but Hobart's record without Utica is 19-2-4 (0.8400), while Hamilton's record without Trinity is 18-3-3 (0.8125) That means Utica's OWP will improve a little more than Hamilton's. -

Trinity would win RNK, unless the pool of ranked teams changes.

Could the "FF is in Utica" tip the comparison? I suppose. If Trinity wins, Hamilton would definitely get the last Pool C. Utica fans need to root for Hamilton and then wait. If the field hadn't expanded to 12, there would be no issue at all - the NESCAC loser would be out, and Utica would be out.
 
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peddler said:
Without a win to get the SUNYAC AQ, they are not ranked now, and not likely to be with another loss. In other words they are toast if the don't beat Oswego.
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thats what im saying, they had a 50/50 shot of beating oz and getting in
 
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joecct said:
Hopefully when Endicott put their hosting bid in they included 1st and QF rounds.
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Considering that they have their own facility, I would think they aren't likely to have gotten caught like UMD did when they didn't plan ahead.
 
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