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2017-18 DIII News, Game Notes, Etc
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The Plattsburgh web stream announcer says Oswego starting goalie Mariah Madrigal, who left Saturday's game in the middle of the 1st period with an injury has been spotted moving around Stafford on crutches. Looks like the Lakers may be without her for some time.
The Plattsburgh web stream announcer says Oswego starting goalie Mariah Madrigal, who left Saturday's game in the middle of the 1st period with an injury has been spotted moving around Stafford on crutches. Looks like the Lakers may be without her for some time.
Birdwatcher
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Just so you all know, the stream announcer for Plattsburgh is Tyler Clemons. He is a Broadcast Journalism student at SUNY Plattsburgh from Carthage, NY. That is the village right next to my hometown (Separated by the Black River) of West Carthage, NY
Just so you all know, the stream announcer for Plattsburgh is Tyler Clemons. He is a Broadcast Journalism student at SUNY Plattsburgh from Carthage, NY. That is the village right next to my hometown (Separated by the Black River) of West Carthage, NY
That's the most exciting thing to come out of this weekend's series with Oswego, which of course doesn't say a whole lot about the quality of the two games.
So the real question is how does a team like Oswego, or any other team in this very weak conference, become competitive with Plattsburgh? Is it ever going to be possible? The immediate answer is no but I'd love to read others' thoughts on this question and what other schools/programs are going to have to do to compete with and beat Plattsburgh. Can any of the other teams in this conference ever catch up? I'm sure non-conference opponents would also like to read about any possible solutions to this question.
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First off, there are a few other programs (Adrian, Norwich for instance) that one could argue already play at that level. However, I think the broader objective is to get 7-10 teams playing at that level. There are 2 ways to do that:
1. A whole bunch of teams need to get better
2. Plattsburgh needs to get worse.
Let me say that I don't think Plattsburgh will get worse any time soon. Which leaves us with how do other teams get better....a long winded way of getting back to shelfit's original question.
Let me outline some of the advantages I see that Plattsburgh has:
1. Long term coach (very good long term coach)
2. Stability in systems / expectations (see item #1 above)
3. Excellent recruiting (see item #1 above again)
4. A helpful school administration (think scholarships, financial aid, team budget)
5. Top notch facilities
6. Athletic tradition - don't know if they had this before but they've clearly developed a following on campus.
7. Respect for opponents. My daughter tells me that the Platty players may be cocky on the ice but off the ice they are respectful (unlike other schools she plays against)
And finally
8. I hesitate to bring this up but it's common knowledge that they've brought in at least a few girls that couldn't make it through the NCAA clearinghouse to play D1 (D1 skill but not D1 academics)
All these things can be replicated, you need: time, good recruiting, an administration that is athletically minded....and a little luck to start you off.
One man's thoughts....hopefully there are more out there!
First off, there are a few other programs (Adrian, Norwich for instance) that one could argue already play at that level. However, I think the broader objective is to get 7-10 teams playing at that level. There are 2 ways to do that:
1. A whole bunch of teams need to get better
2. Plattsburgh needs to get worse.
Let me say that I don't think Plattsburgh will get worse any time soon. Which leaves us with how do other teams get better....a long winded way of getting back to shelfit's original question.
Let me outline some of the advantages I see that Plattsburgh has:
1. Long term coach (very good long term coach)
2. Stability in systems / expectations (see item #1 above)
3. Excellent recruiting (see item #1 above again)
4. A helpful school administration (think scholarships, financial aid, team budget)
5. Top notch facilities
6. Athletic tradition - don't know if they had this before but they've clearly developed a following on campus.
7. Respect for opponents. My daughter tells me that the Platty players may be cocky on the ice but off the ice they are respectful (unlike other schools she plays against)
And finally
8. I hesitate to bring this up but it's common knowledge that they've brought in at least a few girls that couldn't make it through the NCAA clearinghouse to play D1 (D1 skill but not D1 academics)
All these things can be replicated, you need: time, good recruiting, an administration that is athletically minded....and a little luck to start you off.
One man's thoughts....hopefully there are more out there!
Russell Jaslow
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This happens at all the top D3 programs in every sport. Just look closely at Mt. Union football. RIT men's hockey, back in their D3 days, also took advantage of this.
Nothing wrong with that.
This happens at all the top D3 programs in every sport. Just look closely at Mt. Union football. RIT men's hockey, back in their D3 days, also took advantage of this.
Nothing wrong with that.
PrezdeJohnson09
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It's still happening. There are players on both the NU men's and women's teams that didn't pass clearinghouse.
It's still happening. There are players on both the NU men's and women's teams that didn't pass clearinghouse.
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No doubt it happens but the original post was asking for thoughts on what it might take to get to Plattsburgh's level. I was just pointing out that it is very helpful if a school is willing to do that....because not every school would. I was a little hesitant to bring it up only because I didn't want the Plattsburgh fans to go on a tirade.
It is happening, it is impactful, but not every school is willing to accept a student who doesn't meet their academic criteria in order to make an athletic team better. No judgement, just explaining some of the factors that might be giving Plattsburgh an edge.
No doubt it happens but the original post was asking for thoughts on what it might take to get to Plattsburgh's level. I was just pointing out that it is very helpful if a school is willing to do that....because not every school would. I was a little hesitant to bring it up only because I didn't want the Plattsburgh fans to go on a tirade.
It is happening, it is impactful, but not every school is willing to accept a student who doesn't meet their academic criteria in order to make an athletic team better. No judgement, just explaining some of the factors that might be giving Plattsburgh an edge.
Among your many good points, this stuck out to me:
"....an administration that is athletically minded..."
I really believe this is the biggest factor in the whole thing. Plattsburgh and Norwich, among others, are known as "hockey schools." That reputation comes from having the full support of the administration in my opinion. Until you do that as a school you're just going through the motions compared to the Plattsburghs, etc.
"....an administration that is athletically minded..."
I really believe this is the biggest factor in the whole thing. Plattsburgh and Norwich, among others, are known as "hockey schools." That reputation comes from having the full support of the administration in my opinion. Until you do that as a school you're just going through the motions compared to the Plattsburghs, etc.
SeymoreHockey
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For once, I concur. Plattsburgh is not just a hockey school, it's a hockey town. The locals embrace the players and make them feel like rock stars both on and off the ice. It's quite an endearing thing to witness.
For once, I concur. Plattsburgh is not just a hockey school, it's a hockey town. The locals embrace the players and make them feel like rock stars both on and off the ice. It's quite an endearing thing to witness.
And I'm sure it leaves them with an unbelievable experience and memories that they'll cherish for the rest of their lives, and that has nothing to do with all the titles. Well, the titles don't hurt. LOL.
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That's one thing I have to say Castleton does extremely well. Their Blue Line Club supports the men's and women's hockey teams equally (it's right in their mandate). As a parent it was very comforting to see my daughter embraced by a (small) group of fans and supporters. I'm not familiar with the Plattsburgh experience but there's a hardcore group that really supports and cares for the players at Castleton.
That's one thing I have to say Castleton does extremely well. Their Blue Line Club supports the men's and women's hockey teams equally (it's right in their mandate). As a parent it was very comforting to see my daughter embraced by a (small) group of fans and supporters. I'm not familiar with the Plattsburgh experience but there's a hardcore group that really supports and cares for the players at Castleton.
Ok, so Plattsburgh is clearly known as a hockey school/town. So what are the other SUNY schools/towns known for? What is their specialty?
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Brockport - Football school. Also pretty good at soccer and women's volleyball.
Buffalo State - Not really a powerhouse in anything. Usually competitive in soccer and softball. I went to a football game when I visited as a prospective student at an open house weekend and attendance was decent despite how cold it was (both the air and the metal bleachers), granted the attendance may have been bolstered by other prospective students like me as tickets were given out to open house attendees.
Cortland - Football, baseball, lacrosse (dominant in both genders), softball, field hockey, generally good at most sports that aren't hockey.
Fredonia - I don't know offhand what's most popular on campus. Basketball and Soccer both have decent sized lists on their school HOF.
Geneseo - I would consider them a hockey school. Swimming is also a good program there.
New Paltz - Don't know. They have some women's basketball conference championships.
Oneonta - Basketball, Soccer (used to play up in D1 and D2 if I recall correctly).
Oswego - hockey school. Also good in men's basketball and some other sports. I imagine Prez knows better than I do.
Plattsburgh - hockey school, basketball is popular as a program on campus as well. Soccer is usually competitive, softball was good but they took a step backward when Ashley Marshall graduated. Men's lacrosse just ended Cortland's run as the SUNYAC champions and is starting a women's team next academic year.
Potsdam - Men's basketball has had the most success. Not sure what's most popular up there,
Brockport - Football school. Also pretty good at soccer and women's volleyball.
Buffalo State - Not really a powerhouse in anything. Usually competitive in soccer and softball. I went to a football game when I visited as a prospective student at an open house weekend and attendance was decent despite how cold it was (both the air and the metal bleachers), granted the attendance may have been bolstered by other prospective students like me as tickets were given out to open house attendees.
Cortland - Football, baseball, lacrosse (dominant in both genders), softball, field hockey, generally good at most sports that aren't hockey.
Fredonia - I don't know offhand what's most popular on campus. Basketball and Soccer both have decent sized lists on their school HOF.
Geneseo - I would consider them a hockey school. Swimming is also a good program there.
New Paltz - Don't know. They have some women's basketball conference championships.
Oneonta - Basketball, Soccer (used to play up in D1 and D2 if I recall correctly).
Oswego - hockey school. Also good in men's basketball and some other sports. I imagine Prez knows better than I do.
Plattsburgh - hockey school, basketball is popular as a program on campus as well. Soccer is usually competitive, softball was good but they took a step backward when Ashley Marshall graduated. Men's lacrosse just ended Cortland's run as the SUNYAC champions and is starting a women's team next academic year.
Potsdam - Men's basketball has had the most success. Not sure what's most popular up there,
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
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Geneseo has VERY strong Cross Country/Track and Field. They usually are top 5 or top 10 in country for cross country year in and year out. It's not a "****/glamour" sport but XC/T&F is definitely Geneseo's best program.
Oswego has become a very strong baseball school over the last 5 years as well.
Geneseo has VERY strong Cross Country/Track and Field. They usually are top 5 or top 10 in country for cross country year in and year out. It's not a "****/glamour" sport but XC/T&F is definitely Geneseo's best program.
Oswego has become a very strong baseball school over the last 5 years as well.
Russell Jaslow
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You forgot the biggest one of all -- wrestling. Huge powerhouse in that sport. They even host a tournament which includes some of the top Division I schools.
Definitely lacrosse if you had to pick one. But you are correct, generally good at everything except hockey. Overall, they have always been considered a "jock" school.
Used to be a big time baseball school, and briefly hockey. Not so much anymore.
Very good in women's soccer.
Correct. They stuck with D1 soccer far longer than I ever expected them to. Their crosstown fellow D3 school, Hartwick, continues to stick with D1 soccer.
Hockey school, period. Just look at their arena...
Back in the day, like when I went there, yes, they were a true blue basketball school. Winningest program of the 80s on any level in college basketball. Five time national finalist, two time national champion, 60-game winning streak (second longest in NCAA men's history tied with San Francisco). One of the hardest tickets in town to come by during playoff time.
Now, not so much...
Attendance wise, if the hockey team is doing well, they outdraw everyone, but not at the level of a Plattsburgh or Oswego.
You forgot the biggest one of all -- wrestling. Huge powerhouse in that sport. They even host a tournament which includes some of the top Division I schools.
Definitely lacrosse if you had to pick one. But you are correct, generally good at everything except hockey. Overall, they have always been considered a "jock" school.
Used to be a big time baseball school, and briefly hockey. Not so much anymore.
Very good in women's soccer.
Correct. They stuck with D1 soccer far longer than I ever expected them to. Their crosstown fellow D3 school, Hartwick, continues to stick with D1 soccer.
Hockey school, period. Just look at their arena...
Back in the day, like when I went there, yes, they were a true blue basketball school. Winningest program of the 80s on any level in college basketball. Five time national finalist, two time national champion, 60-game winning streak (second longest in NCAA men's history tied with San Francisco). One of the hardest tickets in town to come by during playoff time.
Now, not so much...
Attendance wise, if the hockey team is doing well, they outdraw everyone, but not at the level of a Plattsburgh or Oswego.You forgot the biggest one of all -- wrestling. Huge powerhouse in that sport. They even host a tournament which includes some of the top Division I schools.
Definitely lacrosse if you had to pick one. But you are correct, generally good at everything except hockey. Overall, they have always been considered a "jock" school.
Used to be a big time baseball school, and briefly hockey. Not so much anymore.
Very good in women's soccer.
Correct. They stuck with D1 soccer far longer than I ever expected them to. Their crosstown fellow D3 school, Hartwick, continues to stick with D1 soccer.
Hockey school, period. Just look at their arena...
Back in the day, like when I went there, yes, they were a true blue basketball school. Winningest program of the 80s on any level in college basketball. Five time national finalist, two time national champion, 60-game winning streak (second longest in NCAA men's history tied with San Francisco). One of the hardest tickets in town to come by during playoff time.
Now, not so much...
And the red headed step child to the school on the other side of the river.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
When Clarkson has a poor season, Potsdam outdraws them if they are good that year.