Re: 2017-18 DIII News, Game Notes, Etc
Does anyone have any insight into how Adrian stays at/near the top?
Does anyone have any insight into how Adrian stays at/near the top?
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2017-18 DIII News, Game Notes, Etc
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Re: 2017-18 DIII News, Game Notes, Etc
In addition to coaching and institutional support, Adrian is one of the few collegiate opportunities in Michigan for women at any level (and until Trine started this year the only D3 women's program between Illinois and Pennsylvania unless I'm forgetting someone) and Michigan appears to have a strong base in terms of girls hockey programs. The current roster of 28 is split 17-11 in favor of Michigan players. So I would hypothesize location helps bring in the Michigan girls (and probably the ones from Ohio, Illinois and Indiana), the support and history of success brings in the rest.
I'm interested to see if/when Trine, who is pretty close to Adrian in Angola, IN, can cut into some of Adrian's geographical advantage enough to matter. The institution with the help of donations made a big commitment to hockey in building their own rink as opposed to playing in existing building (like Wilkes, Kings and LVC have done to start). They have 19 players and are 1-5 so far, but they're not even the worst defensively (they're down there, but they're still some teams behind them).
In addition to coaching and institutional support, Adrian is one of the few collegiate opportunities in Michigan for women at any level (and until Trine started this year the only D3 women's program between Illinois and Pennsylvania unless I'm forgetting someone) and Michigan appears to have a strong base in terms of girls hockey programs. The current roster of 28 is split 17-11 in favor of Michigan players. So I would hypothesize location helps bring in the Michigan girls (and probably the ones from Ohio, Illinois and Indiana), the support and history of success brings in the rest.
I'm interested to see if/when Trine, who is pretty close to Adrian in Angola, IN, can cut into some of Adrian's geographical advantage enough to matter. The institution with the help of donations made a big commitment to hockey in building their own rink as opposed to playing in existing building (like Wilkes, Kings and LVC have done to start). They have 19 players and are 1-5 so far, but they're not even the worst defensively (they're down there, but they're still some teams behind them).
hockeymakesmebroke
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Adrian draws about half of their girls from either Honeybaked, Little Caesars or Belle Tire, all very good programs in the Detroit area. While historically LC and Honeybaked have been the more dominant teams, Belle Tire seems to be getting it done the past few years with the 16U program winning the National Championship last season. Michigan does have some good players and Adrian gets their share of those that don't get the D1 nod. that being said, if Oakland University can land a D1 program in the near future, this will probably cut into Adrian's pool more that Trine will, at least while the programs gets its feet underneath it. Michigan and Michigan State SHOULD both have programs, but for whatever reason do not, that's another story entirely.
Adrian draws about half of their girls from either Honeybaked, Little Caesars or Belle Tire, all very good programs in the Detroit area. While historically LC and Honeybaked have been the more dominant teams, Belle Tire seems to be getting it done the past few years with the 16U program winning the National Championship last season. Michigan does have some good players and Adrian gets their share of those that don't get the D1 nod. that being said, if Oakland University can land a D1 program in the near future, this will probably cut into Adrian's pool more that Trine will, at least while the programs gets its feet underneath it. Michigan and Michigan State SHOULD both have programs, but for whatever reason do not, that's another story entirely.
There always seems to be talk about why there aren't D1 women's programs in Michigan at schools that already have D1 men's programs, but isn't it surprising that there are only two D3 colleges in Michigan with men's and women's hockey?! Wouldn't you think there would be more? Aren't there a bunch of D3 schools scattered around the state? I guess I'm surprised there's never been a D3 men's conference of any kind in Michigan like there has been in MA, MN, and NY. Anyone know the history here?
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Plattsburgh recruited 3 freshman from Michigan programs this year (1 Belle Tire, 1 Little Caesars and 1 from the Lansing Spartans Hockey Club) and they've all been good. They also already have 2 Little Caesars forwards committed for next year. LC's other announced commitment from the 2018 class is bound for Elmira. They're representing themselves well across the top of D3.
Plattsburgh recruited 3 freshman from Michigan programs this year (1 Belle Tire, 1 Little Caesars and 1 from the Lansing Spartans Hockey Club) and they've all been good. They also already have 2 Little Caesars forwards committed for next year. LC's other announced commitment from the 2018 class is bound for Elmira. They're representing themselves well across the top of D3.
SeymoreHockey
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And Canadian content has all but disappeared......sad!
And Canadian content has all but disappeared......sad!
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As a Canadian with a daughter playing D3, I can tell you that the exchange rate really hurt last year! if it can even stay in the $0.80 range, combined with the available academic/international student scholarships you should see a few more girls come down to the U.S.
Another factor is the awakening of Canadian universities when it comes to sports (and women's hockey specifically). Although they can't give full rides, many offer a few thousand dollars which bring an already lower cost of education, even lower.
Finally, there is a widely held perception that unless you are going to an Ivy school, U.S. universities are typically inferior to Canadian universities.
As a Canadian with a daughter playing D3, I can tell you that the exchange rate really hurt last year! if it can even stay in the $0.80 range, combined with the available academic/international student scholarships you should see a few more girls come down to the U.S.
Another factor is the awakening of Canadian universities when it comes to sports (and women's hockey specifically). Although they can't give full rides, many offer a few thousand dollars which bring an already lower cost of education, even lower.
Finally, there is a widely held perception that unless you are going to an Ivy school, U.S. universities are typically inferior to Canadian universities.
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Finally, there is a widely held perception that unless you are going to an Ivy school, U.S. universities are typically inferior to Canadian universities.[/QUOTE]
"Widely"? Maybe widely in Canada. But then you all think curling is a sport
Finally, there is a widely held perception that unless you are going to an Ivy school, U.S. universities are typically inferior to Canadian universities.[/QUOTE]
"Widely"? Maybe widely in Canada. But then you all think curling is a sport
"Widely"? Maybe widely in Canada. But then you all think curling is a sport
[/QUOTE]Lol. I have heard this "perception" thing before and it always makes me laugh because it is so truly ignorant.
CrossCheck
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"Widely"? Maybe widely in Canada. But then you all think curling is a sport[/QUOTE]
Lol...other than 2-3 schools, Canada's colleges are a sad joke...
"Widely"? Maybe widely in Canada. But then you all think curling is a sport
[/QUOTE]Lol...other than 2-3 schools, Canada's colleges are a sad joke...
SeymoreHockey
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Lol...other than 2-3 schools, Canada's colleges are a sad joke...[/QUOTE]
Hahaha.....speaking of jokes, you sir, don't know what the hell you're talking about. But then again, everybody already knows this.
"Widely"? Maybe widely in Canada. But then you all think curling is a sport
Lol...other than 2-3 schools, Canada's colleges are a sad joke...[/QUOTE]
Hahaha.....speaking of jokes, you sir, don't know what the hell you're talking about. But then again, everybody already knows this.
SeymoreHockey
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Yeah, you're right. I agree with all your points. It's kind of sad to watch DIII get so watered down right now. But then again, hockey at the Canadian collegiate level continues to grow and improve. And that's good for us.
Yeah, you're right. I agree with all your points. It's kind of sad to watch DIII get so watered down right now. But then again, hockey at the Canadian collegiate level continues to grow and improve. And that's good for us.
Hahaha.....speaking of jokes, you sir, don't know what the hell you're talking about. But then again, everybody already knows this.[/QUOTE]
Maybe their COLLEGES aren't the best but they serve their purpose for people that are pursuing those 2-3 year degrees, just like the junior/community colleges down here. The Canadian UNIVERSITIES on the other hand are very good from all accounts especially schools like McGill, Queen's, and the like.
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Lol...other than 2-3 schools, Canada's colleges are a sad joke...[/QUOTE]
I'm not really going to argue the relative merits of the Canadian vs. the U.S. educational system. Every country has good schools and not so good schools. I did not say that I agreed with the assessment, after all I sent my daughter down to the U.S. to get an education and play hockey. If I didn't feel the education was up to par I wouldn't be dropping the dollars just for hockey.
I merely stated a perception in Canada as I'm not American and don't have an American point of view. For you to disparage any educational system is really unfortunate. I would put any Canadian university right up there with any American university. I believe there is actually very little to differentiate either in the overall picture.
You have Ivies, we have McGill, U of T, Queens, Western. Check the global rankings.....
You have diploma factories, so do we.....and everything in between.
"Widely"? Maybe widely in Canada. But then you all think curling is a sport
Lol...other than 2-3 schools, Canada's colleges are a sad joke...[/QUOTE]
I'm not really going to argue the relative merits of the Canadian vs. the U.S. educational system. Every country has good schools and not so good schools. I did not say that I agreed with the assessment, after all I sent my daughter down to the U.S. to get an education and play hockey. If I didn't feel the education was up to par I wouldn't be dropping the dollars just for hockey.
I merely stated a perception in Canada as I'm not American and don't have an American point of view. For you to disparage any educational system is really unfortunate. I would put any Canadian university right up there with any American university. I believe there is actually very little to differentiate either in the overall picture.
You have Ivies, we have McGill, U of T, Queens, Western. Check the global rankings.....
You have diploma factories, so do we.....and everything in between.
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"Widely"? Maybe widely in Canada. But then you all think curling is a sport
Don't knock curling till you have tried it. In fact the US is one of the fastest growing curling nations in the world.[/QUOTE]
I appreciate any activity you can do while holding a beer. I see curling in the same category as horseshoes and darts. Fun activities you can do while drinking a beer and eating a hot dog but not true athletic endeavors. But I'm not trying to start a debate. I was just poking some fun. It's growing in the US for the very reason that it's doable by non-athletes and is fun.
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I appreciate any activity you can do while holding a beer. I see curling in the same category as horseshoes and darts. Fun activities you can do while drinking a beer and eating a hot dog but not true athletic endeavors. But I'm not trying to start a debate. I was just poking some fun. It's growing in the US for the very reason that it's doable by non-athletes and is fun.[/QUOTE]
https://youtu.be/MlYGaPTGII8?t=3 This one might end up over on Blackbeard's Concussion thread (which is a good thread btw)
I appreciate any activity you can do while holding a beer. I see curling in the same category as horseshoes and darts. Fun activities you can do while drinking a beer and eating a hot dog but not true athletic endeavors. But I'm not trying to start a debate. I was just poking some fun. It's growing in the US for the very reason that it's doable by non-athletes and is fun.[/QUOTE]
https://youtu.be/MlYGaPTGII8?t=3 This one might end up over on Blackbeard's Concussion thread (which is a good thread btw)
CrossCheck
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Hahaha.....speaking of jokes, you sir, don't know what the hell you're talking about. But then again, everybody already knows this.[/QUOTE]
ok Seeemore....you're right, when I think Canaduh and higher education, I think Harvard, Yale, Princeton for academics and Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Michigan for athletics...oh wait, but you have McGill. lol.
Hahaha.....speaking of jokes, you sir, don't know what the hell you're talking about. But then again, everybody already knows this.[/QUOTE]
ok Seeemore....you're right, when I think Canaduh and higher education, I think Harvard, Yale, Princeton for academics and Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Michigan for athletics...oh wait, but you have McGill. lol.
SeymoreHockey
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I think CrossChuck missed this reply......summed up pretty good.
I'm not really going to argue the relative merits of the Canadian vs. the U.S. educational system. Every country has good schools and not so good schools. I did not say that I agreed with the assessment, after all I sent my daughter down to the U.S. to get an education and play hockey. If I didn't feel the education was up to par I wouldn't be dropping the dollars just for hockey.
I merely stated a perception in Canada as I'm not American and don't have an American point of view. For you to disparage any educational system is really unfortunate. I would put any Canadian university right up there with any American university. I believe there is actually very little to differentiate either in the overall picture.
You have Ivies, we have McGill, U of T, Queens, Western. Check the global rankings.....
You have diploma factories, so do we.....and everything in between.[/QUOTE]
I think CrossChuck missed this reply......summed up pretty good.
I'm not really going to argue the relative merits of the Canadian vs. the U.S. educational system. Every country has good schools and not so good schools. I did not say that I agreed with the assessment, after all I sent my daughter down to the U.S. to get an education and play hockey. If I didn't feel the education was up to par I wouldn't be dropping the dollars just for hockey.
I merely stated a perception in Canada as I'm not American and don't have an American point of view. For you to disparage any educational system is really unfortunate. I would put any Canadian university right up there with any American university. I believe there is actually very little to differentiate either in the overall picture.
You have Ivies, we have McGill, U of T, Queens, Western. Check the global rankings.....
You have diploma factories, so do we.....and everything in between.[/QUOTE]