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2016 WCHA Offseason; It's All Over, Save Ferris

Re: 2016 WCHA Offseason; It's All Over, Save Ferris

If ASU joins, it's very likely only until an arena solution is worked out. Absent a long term commitment from ASU, adding Simon Fraser would be foolhardy at best.
 
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davyd83 said:
If ASU joins, it's very likely only until an arena solution is worked out. Absent a long term commitment from ASU, adding Simon Fraser would be foolhardy at best.
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Screw 'em then. I don't want the WCHA treated as a stepping stone. If their long-term plan is to be an affiliate member of the B1G, they can play as an independent until they have a suitable arena.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Screw 'em then. I don't want the WCHA treated as a stepping stone. If their long-term plan is to be an affiliate member of the B1G, they can play as an independent until they have a suitable arena.
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Does the WCHA have a team buyout for leaving?
 
Squarebanks said:
Why do you say that?
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What does Simon Fraser add to the league? A marketable brand name? No. You might as well have Arkansas-Monticello. Another costly flight for most of the league? Yes. The hassles of international travel for a group of 30 of varying nationalities? Yes. The only plus is that WCHA Coaches who recruit BC and specifically the Vancouver area could get recruits to a game. If you get ASU long term, then a western pod or division becomes doable and could result in some travel reduction, but if it's only SF, do they bring enough value to offset the cost? It's also unlikely that they would be able to bring the Alaska/Hawai'i exemption.
 
davyd83 said:
What does Simon Fraser add to the league? A marketable brand name? No. You might as well have Arkansas-Monticello. Another costly flight for most of the league? Yes. The hassles of international travel for a group of 30 of varying nationalities? Yes. The only plus is that WCHA Coaches who recruit BC and specifically the Vancouver area could get recruits to a game. If you get ASU long term, then a western pod or division becomes doable and could result in some travel reduction, but if it's only SF, do they bring enough value to offset the cost? It's also unlikely that they would be able to bring the Alaska/Hawai'i exemption.
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I guess I see it a bit differently. I see SFU as a strategic add, should their D1 dream come to fruition. You talk about brand names, well the WCHA has no national brand names currently so I don't see how SFU damages that. It would automatically get the WCHA exposure in a city (Vancouver) that is insane for hockey, more so than any other WCHA market. It helps with exposure to players in the Pacific Northwest which, while not a super fertile recruiting ground does produce some D1 players (we have a couple of Washington kids on our roster). It also gives the NCAA some kind of presence in a region where the WHL has a monopoly.

Selfishly, it gives UAF and UAA a road trip that is a short nonstop flight to Seattle and a quick bus hop up to Burnaby.
 
Squarebanks said:
I guess I see it a bit differently. I see SFU as a strategic add, should their D1 dream come to fruition. You talk about brand names, well the WCHA has no national brand names currently so I don't see how SFU damages that. It would automatically get the WCHA exposure in a city (Vancouver) that is insane for hockey, more so than any other WCHA market. It helps with exposure to players in the Pacific Northwest which, while not a super fertile recruiting ground does produce some D1 players (we have a couple of Washington kids on our roster). It also gives the NCAA some kind of presence in a region where the WHL has a monopoly.

Selfishly, it gives UAF and UAA a road trip that is a short nonstop flight to Seattle and a quick bus hop up to Burnaby.
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The name doesn't damage the WCHA. It just adds nothing. And Frye got little notice before he arrived and put in a couple years at Lincoln and Staley in Prince George. The bottom line is does the benefit of adding another spot far outside the central footprint outweigh the cost? Let the NCHC play nice guy this time.
 
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blackswampboy said:
Men's Ice Hockey APR, 2014-2015
[four-year rolling avg.: 2011-12, 2012-13, 2013-14 and 2014-15]
MTU, 966 (Last)
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Times are changing at Michigan Tech. We went from being the perennial doormats of playing hockey to the perennial doormats of graduating hockey players. I guess if the kids come to Tech to play hockey and then leave as soon as they are done playing hockey that is up to them.
Ryan J
 
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JohnsonsJerseys said:
Times are changing at Michigan Tech. We went from being the perennial doormats of playing hockey to the perennial doormats of graduating hockey players. I guess if the kids come to Tech to play hockey and then leave as soon as they are done playing hockey that is up to them.
Ryan J
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What exactly are the criteria for the rating anyways?
 
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I wonder how much of UAH's burn is related to the big cut we had after 2013-14. I don't really remember guys not finishing either side of that — during the independent years, the kids were generally not going anywhere after that.

GFM
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all of those scores, for the whole league pretty dang good when compared with college athletics as a whole? What kind of reference is there to use to make sense of what they mean? What does "990" tell us?
 
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930 represents an approximate graduation rate of 50% and is the cutoff for potential penalties by NCAA.

NCAA easily provides APR from 2004-2005 through 2014-2015.

Michigan Tech's APR has been trending down recently...but without all the coaching turnover, I thought they'd stabilize in the 980s, they were there from 2009 through 2013 but the last 2 have been low.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
930 represents an approximate graduation rate of 50% and is the cutoff for potential penalties by NCAA.
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I would love to see the number for a top level D-I basketball program. With half their team leaving after one or two years, every year, there is either a major loop hole or they roster a ton of kids that never play to get the numbers up.
Ryan J
 
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Marquette's Lakeview Arena, the original home of the NMU Wildcats, has made the finals for KraftHixkeyville USA. On Monday & Tuesday vote online at KraftHockeyville.com & by phone texting "Lakeview" to 35350 and at KraftHockeyville.com. You can vote 50x on your phone and 50x online per day for each emails
address.
 
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davyd83 said:
You can vote 50x on your phone and 50x online per day for each emails address.
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One hundred votes per day...Clearly the NHL didn't learn anything from the NHL All-Star voting process.

Rumor has it that if Lakeview Arena wins, the NHL will ask if the rink feels their fans would be proud and the rink will be then immediately relocated to Peru where it will be used to host craft shows and minor league rodeos.

Ryan J
 
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