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2016 Pairwise Calculator

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So in many many scenarios, I see...

1. BC
2. Minn or Wisc
3. Wisc or Minn
4. Q
5. Clarkson
6. NE
7. Princeton
8. CHA

Assuming only 2 WCHA teams, who travels west? CHA and Princeton? If yes, so BC vs NE again. Q vs Clarkson again for sure.
 
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PuckRush said:
So in many many scenarios, I see...

1. BC
2. Minn or Wisc
3. Wisc or Minn
4. Q
5. Clarkson
6. NE
7. Princeton
8. CHA

Assuming only 2 WCHA teams, who travels west? CHA and Princeton? If yes, so BC vs NE again. Q vs Clarkson again for sure.
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I assume CHA has the pleasure of getting their a**es kicked by BC since that would be 1vs8 as it should be. I don't care enough to look it up, which 2 would cost the least to send West? That will be your answer
 
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Tried your calculator. If I have Cornell upsetting Clarkson in the quarters and NE, Bemidji, Prinny and Mercyhurst winning the tournaments, Northeastern is listed as #6 in the pairwise and as the 2nd team out in your calculator. Seems as long as NE wins HE, your calculator has them in the tourney but also listed as the 2nd team out.

It also looks to me like Clarkson can lose in the ECAC Quarters and still make the NC$$ Tourney as long as BC wins HE or Minny or Wisco win the WCHA. The only way I see Bemidji in is if they win the WCHA.
 
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vicb said:
Tried your calculator. If I have Cornell upsetting Clarkson in the quarters and NE, Bemidji, Prinny and Mercyhurst winning the tournaments, Northeastern is listed as #6 in the pairwise and as the 2nd team out in your calculator. Seems as long as NE wins HE, your calculator has them in the tourney but also listed as the 2nd team out.
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God that one cell is the bane of my existence... I had this problem last year too lol

Thanks for pointing it out. I just fixed it. The tournament field/rankings were correct, just the 2nd team out identifier was wrong. It's all set now. Let me know if you have this issue again!
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
RIT and Syracuse would stay east. Any other CHA champion goes west.
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Isn't the distance required for a flight 300 miles? If so, Syracuse is the only CHA team close enough to Boston to drive; Rochester is listed as about 394 miles. Princeton looks to be the only 5-7 ranked team within that distance, too.

I was really hoping that Princeton was out of range, so that Hockey East fans would get to feel our pain by watching a BC/Northeastern quarterfinal.

I can't get the flash on Grant's spreadsheet to work, but it looks like, barring quarterfinal strangeness or a lot of upsets, Carkson/Quinnipiac is just about locked in as a quarterfinal. Assuming that the CHA champ goes west, Princeton and Northeastern look to be in a tight race to see who goes to Newton, and who goes to Minnesota/Wisconsin.
 
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I believe the distance is 400 miles, not 300.

And I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion that the CHA champion goes west. It's probably between Cuse and Hurst (I mean, obviously) and Cuse only finished 1 point back.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
I believe the distance is 400 miles, not 300.

And I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion that the CHA champion goes west. It's probably between Cuse and Hurst (I mean, obviously) and Cuse only finished 1 point back.
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I don't think we should write off any of the CHA teams as possible winners of that tournament.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
I believe the distance is 400 miles, not 300.

And I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion that the CHA champion goes west. It's probably between Cuse and Hurst (I mean, obviously) and Cuse only finished 1 point back.
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With the possible exception of Lindenwood-to-Madison, none of the possible CHA champs are within 400 miles of Madison, with Minneapolis even farther away. So why would a CHA champ go to either, rather than to Boston? A plane trip is a plane trip (and a non-stop to Boston is easy to manage than one to Madison.)
 
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robertearle said:
With the possible exception of Lindenwood-to-Madison, none of the possible CHA champs are within 400 miles of Madison, with Minneapolis even farther away. So why would a CHA champ go to either, rather than to Boston? A plane trip is a plane trip (and a non-stop to Boston is easy to manage than one to Madison.)
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Because they can be replaced with a team that is within the driving distance to Boston, while the teams going to Minneapolis and Madison will be flying regardless, unless there is an upset winner in the WCHA tournament.
 
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Eeyore said:
Because they can be replaced with a team that is within the driving distance to Boston, while the teams going to Minneapolis and Madison will be flying regardless, unless there is an upset winner in the WCHA tournament.
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Yes. Stupid of me. Thanks.
 
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Eeyore said:
I can't get the flash on Grant's spreadsheet to work, but it looks like, barring quarterfinal strangeness or a lot of upsets, Carkson/Quinnipiac is just about locked in as a quarterfinal. Assuming that the CHA champ goes west, Princeton and Northeastern look to be in a tight race to see who goes to Newton, and who goes to Minnesota/Wisconsin.
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The one way I can see in which Clarkson/Quinni mightn't be locked in is if Clarkson goes ahead and hosts the QF, and Mercyhurst is CHA champion. Erie to Potsdam is a bus ride (371 miles!). But I haven't worked this through to see if that eliminates a flight or merely shifts it around.
 
wwhyte said:
The one way I can see in which Clarkson/Quinni mightn't be locked in is if Clarkson goes ahead and hosts the QF, and Mercyhurst is CHA champion. Erie to Potsdam is a bus ride (371 miles!). But I haven't worked this through to see if that eliminates a flight or merely shifts it around.
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The second part -- you're looking at 2 flights regardless and the other options will also have 2 flights with better bracket integrity.

The other option in your scenario was Penn State to QU, but same thing
 
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I had a little fun playing with possible outcomes this afternoon. Primarily I was looking for ways to make BC have to play their first tough game before the National Championship / avoid having the "real" National Championship game between MN and WI on Friday again! :D

From the looks of it, as long as BC at least makes the finals of the HE tournament, they are almost a lock for the 1 seed. They would have to lose a game to Maine AND lose the HE Final to Connecticut to slip down to the 2 seed, and I haven't found any way that they slip all the way down to the 3 in any situation.

How's this for interesting though, I found a way for Wisconsin to slip all the way down to #5! Basically, it would take the Badgers losing their series against Mankato and Clarkson and Quinnipiac both getting first round sweeps and then meeting in the ECAC final. Now, in the extremely unlikely event of that happening - you'd likely have the Gophers and Badgers playing at Ridder in the Quarterfinal!

Even if the Gophers get swept by Ohio State, I couldn't find a way for them to drop out of the top 4, so I don't see any way the reverse would happen at Labahn. In fact, as long as MN gets a sweep against Ohio State, it looks like they are close to a lock for a top 3 seed.
 
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Microsoft's "OneDrive," where my spreadsheet is hosted, is down at the moment. I can send anyone who wants one a desktop copy of the predictor which is much quicker and nicer to play with. Just shoot me an email at grant dot salzano at gmail.
 
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Some implications from this weekend with most of the quarterfinals out of the way:

1) BC has mathematically clinched #1 overall. UM/UW cannot catch them.
2) UM and UW have mathematically clinched #2 and #3 overall in whatever order. CU/QU cannot catch them.
3) BC, UM, UW, and QU have mathematically clinched an NCAA tournament berth.
4) QU and CU have *ALMOST* mathematically clinched #4 and #5 overall. The only way anyone else can end up in 5th is with 4 upset autobid winners.
 
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If the top seeds win, Princeton is still in good shape to get in. I don't remember a (women's) team missing the conference semis and still making the NCAAs before.
 
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