2016 Open Wheel Racing- this Haas to be a great Roissing year.

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Well that was certainly interesting and exciting yet not the way I was envisioning things ending. A lot of people had faster cars... that yellow coming out with like 40 laps to go was a killer for a lot of guys.

At least JPM crashed early and made it a more relaxing day for me.

 

[Timothy A]

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That was a fun day of open wheel racing.

Not.

What has happened to Ferrari!?!?! Losing for RB and now Force India. Oh the humanity! From a non-partisan viewpoint the rain did make it interesting.

What has happened to Penske!??!?! JPM simply crashing himself out, Power being totally ineffectual, Simon had engine trouble after proving to be fast, and Helio gets screwed by that idiot Newgarten. And to top it off an Andretti car wins. Gag me please.

What a lost weekend of racing.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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What has happened to Penske!??!?! JPM simply crashing himself out, Power being totally ineffectual, Simon had engine trouble after proving to be fast, and Helio gets screwed by that idiot Newgarten. And to top it off an Andretti car wins. Gag me please.

What a lost weekend of racing.

Helio really got screwed by Hildebrand. He is still crying about it.

I really was hoping for like a Hinchecliffe victory ... I got teary-eyed just watching Sam Schmidt cheering him on to the pole last week. I would have preferred 20 drivers to win over Rossi but at this point it seems like Rossi is handling things the right way and could be good for the sport. A lot of people were POed with his signing as a backup driver with Manor after he had committed to Indycar. I would have been happy seeing Hinchecliffe and RHR dueling all day until the finish. Kanaan would have been great to see win again. Dixon... Newgarden... Carpenter... Chavez... etc.

Karam had an interesting day... result wasn't surprising but he was on the move when he lost patience and hit the wall. Was also disappointed that Stef Wilson and Ed Carpenter ran into troubles. Also what in the sweet name of Jesus is Buddy Lazier even doing out there?

Interesting that Kimball keeps getting himself nice finishes in Indy. He also finished with 36 laps on the same fuel tank as did Rossi. Pretty nuts.

 

[alfablue]

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Not.

What has happened to Ferrari!?!?! Losing for RB and now Force India. Oh the humanity! From a non-partisan viewpoint the rain did make it interesting.

What has happened to Penske!??!?! JPM simply crashing himself out, Power being totally ineffectual, Simon had engine trouble after proving to be fast, and Helio gets screwed by that idiot Newgarten. And to top it off an Andretti car wins. Gag me please.

What a lost weekend of racing.

Maybe think of it as Brian Herta instead. And that Dan Wheldon helped from above.

 

[solovsfett]

Helio really got screwed by Hildebrand. He is still crying about it.

I really was hoping for like a Hinchecliffe victory ... I got teary-eyed just watching Sam Schmidt cheering him on to the pole last week. I would have preferred 20 drivers to win over Rossi but at this point it seems like Rossi is handling things the right way and could be good for the sport. A lot of people were POed with his signing as a backup driver with Manor after he had committed to Indycar. I would have been happy seeing Hinchecliffe and RHR dueling all day until the finish. Kanaan would have been great to see win again. Dixon... Newgarden... Carpenter... Chavez... etc.

Karam had an interesting day... result wasn't surprising but he was on the move when he lost patience and hit the wall. Was also disappointed that Stef Wilson and Ed Carpenter ran into troubles. Also what in the sweet name of Jesus is Buddy Lazier even doing out there?

Interesting that Kimball keeps getting himself nice finishes in Indy. He also finished with 36 laps on the same fuel tank as did Rossi. Pretty nuts.

I concur with all of this.

I wish Hinchcliffe or Newgarden had won and I'm not sure yet how I feel about Rossi given his desire to head back to Europe asap. And that's no dig at F1, I love F1 but Indy really needs young American heroes STAT to help regain fans

 

[alfablue]

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I concur with all of this.

I wish Hinchcliffe or Newgarden had won and I'm not sure yet how I feel about Rossi given his desire to head back to Europe asap. And that's no dig at F1, I love F1 but Indy really needs young American heroes STAT to help regain fans

Except that Hinch is a Canadian... Ok, so he's American, too. Just like Carlos Munoz is...

Anyway- I see Rossi's win in a different light- the underdog won. Yes, he was with Andretti, but since he's a rookie, and this is the first year that Brian Herta is part of Andretti- it's also easy to look over that.

Part of Indy's appeal is that the little guy always had a chance- you could build your own car, and do really well. The 80's were filled with teams at the front (for a short while) on Buick power. That really went away with the spec cars, and the lack of enough cars to have a serious bump going on.

Nobody dug at (any) Andretti for wanting to go to F1, nor Sebastian Bourdais or anyone else. So I don't see that as a big deal. Actually, I see it as a benefit- as a high profile Indy car winner could go to F1, which will raise a lot of awareness of that, too. And he will always be welcome back in an Indy seat.

It's not as if Indy was short of local boys who were doing well.

Also- given the desire to have US born drivers, what's the deal withe love of Penske (ZERO US born drivers) and the hate of Andretti (3 of 4 US born drivers at Indy)? Heck, even Ganassi only has one American- and Kimball was born in the UK. Some of the other teams, the support is clear- although no US born drivers for Sam Schmidt. Then again, people have it against Ed Carpenter due to his relationship with the guy who wanted to bring Americans back to Indy- and his team is 100% US born.

Having a young rookie win gives Indy a shot in the arm. Better that he was US born. Even better if he goes to Europe, does well, and THEN comes back.

 

[solovsfett]

Except that Hinch is a Canadian... Ok, so he's American, too. Just like Carlos Munoz is...

Anyway- I see Rossi's win in a different light- the underdog won. Yes, he was with Andretti, but since he's a rookie, and this is the first year that Brian Herta is part of Andretti- it's also easy to look over that.

Part of Indy's appeal is that the little guy always had a chance- you could build your own car, and do really well. The 80's were filled with teams at the front (for a short while) on Buick power. That really went away with the spec cars, and the lack of enough cars to have a serious bump going on.

Nobody dug at (any) Andretti for wanting to go to F1, nor Sebastian Bourdais or anyone else. So I don't see that as a big deal. Actually, I see it as a benefit- as a high profile Indy car winner could go to F1, which will raise a lot of awareness of that, too. And he will always be welcome back in an Indy seat.

It's not as if Indy was short of local boys who were doing well.

Also- given the desire to have US born drivers, what's the deal withe love of Penske (ZERO US born drivers) and the hate of Andretti (3 of 4 US born drivers at Indy)? Heck, even Ganassi only has one American- and Kimball was born in the UK. Some of the other teams, the support is clear- although no US born drivers for Sam Schmidt. Then again, people have it against Ed Carpenter due to his relationship with the guy who wanted to bring Americans back to Indy- and his team is 100% US born.

Having a young rookie win gives Indy a shot in the arm. Better that he was US born. Even better if he goes to Europe, does well, and THEN comes back.

I didn't mean to imply the mayor was not Canadian, he and Newgarden were my just my favorites leading into the race.

I thought Munoz was Columbian, Gabby Chaves however is U.S.

I'm just beginning to agree with robin Miller that the sport needs u.s kids winning consistently in order to regain their stature in the sports world.

I'm firmly anti-Penske and ganassi because one dumped Karam and the other wouldn't give Newgarden a shot while Chilton is kind of a nobody and Penske NEVER has cared about the health of the series, only the numbers on his trucks to display to the world.

But I do like some of their drivers; helio, jpm, Dixon, Kanaan.

As for leaving for F1 and that assisting indy's profile I'm not sure about that. If Rossi goes it better be to a top 3 team and he better exceed his teammates accomplishments otherwise we have another Zanardi, dimatta, etc.

Right now Indycar has Jacques Villeneuve to hang their hat on. Michael Andretti could have been really good but his focus wasn't in Europe, he chose to be a weekend warrior which doesn't work.

Anyway, if Rossi goes good luck to him, if he stays that's great!

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Gabby Chaves however is U.S.

To be technical, Chaves has dual citizenship. And has often throughout his career raced under the Columbian flag, even after he became an American.

 

[Timothy A]

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Maybe think of it as Brian Herta instead. And that Dan Wheldon helped from above.

After reading the great article on Racer about the details of the Rossi win, it's clear it was Herta's strategy that won the thing and Andretti is just financing it. Rossi should stay in Indycar, win consistantly, then head back to F1 for a top 3 team. Anything less than a top 3 team is a waste of time.

As a Penske tifosi, I am pretty much done with Power and JPM. Cut ties and bring in Karem and Newgarten, maybe even Rahal, he needs to go young with a couple of the drivers. Helio is Dr. Public Relations, he is so awesome with the sponsors and fans, he can stay, though he's probably a little washed up like JPM. The sky is the limit with Simon.

 

[alfablue]

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I didn't mean to imply the mayor was not Canadian, he and Newgarden were my just my favorites leading into the race.

I thought Munoz was Columbian, Gabby Chaves however is U.S.

Technically, Hinch is as American as Chaves, Munoz, and Rossi- this entire hemisphere is America- North and South. The thing is, most US citizens think we have the only claim of being called Americans, because it's in the name of the country.

But the attempts to point that out is pretty tiny. And Indy Car seems like US Football as F1 is like Futbol.

IMHO, the key to getting US born drivers is to have a better alternative than NASCAR. And it's getting there. Indy car isn't worse because Villeneuve, Andretti(s), Bourdais, and Zandardis go to F1, it's weaker because great drivers like Hornish, Scott Speed, Almendinger, etc- choose NASCAR over Indy Car. Crap, it was bad when Montoya did that, too.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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I'm firmly anti-Penske and ganassi because one dumped Karam

If Karam could stop playing "let's obliterate Uncle Chip's car" he may still be with Uncle Chip. Karam still has a lot to learn as we saw this weekend. But he does have talent IMO.

Speaking of Karam, I found it VERY interesting that Ed Carpenter was one of the first guys to reach out to Sage Karam last year after Pocono considering they really disliked each other. Tells me a lot about Ed Carpenter (an interesting guy in his own right but one I happen to admire).

Edit - I just realize we have Chip (Ganassi) and Dale (Coyne) in Indycar. LOL.

 

[alfablue]

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Karam still has a lot to learn as we saw this weekend. But he does have talent IMO.

He does- but he at least seems to know it. He could have easily directly blamed Bell for being too aggressive- since he had been cutting others off all day. But while he did't leave Townsed totally blameless, he said that he should have backed off.

I hope he gets there- that's a lot of raw talent to potentially lose to NASCAR.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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The Wilson situation matured him a lot but like he driving he has a ways to go. He went through hell after what happened in Pocono and really it wasn't his fault obviously.

Townsend Bell had an interesting day now didn't he? He had a fast car and was really in the mix!

 

[alfablue]

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The Wilson situation matured him a lot but like he driving he has a ways to go. He went through hell after what happened in Pocono and really it wasn't his fault obviously.

Townsend Bell had an interesting day now didn't he? He had a fast car and was really in the mix!

His team really did him in. Had a few bad stops, and then after a slow one, rushed him out a tiny but early. And with RHR leaving at almost the same time, Townsed ran right into Helio. (note- those observations do not include the order as they entered the pits. I can't find a lap chart to see that order)

Hard to say who's fault that accident really was- while Bell got the drive through, RHR also was let go quick. So both teams should have gotten some actual blame. In the end- the penalty of being a lap down or two was pretty harsh.

Still- as I saw it, had Bell's team been fast enough- the cycle in and out would have left them in the same position as they came in on.

It's really too bad, since he had such a remarkable race going- when one considers how many races he does a year.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Hard to say who's fault that accident really was- while Bell got the drive through, RHR also was let go quick. So both teams should have gotten some actual blame. In the end- the penalty of being a lap down or two was pretty harsh.

The reason Bell got the penalty, and rightfully so, is because he jumped into the outer lane when there was a car there. The outer lane has the right of way.

Had he stayed in the middle lane, there may have been no contact at all depending on how much leeway RHR would have given.

 

[alfablue]

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The reason Bell got the penalty, and rightfully so, is because he jumped into the outer lane when there was a car there. The outer lane has the right of way.

Had he stayed in the middle lane, there may have been no contact at all depending on how much leeway RHR would have given.

One can make an argument that he was reacting to RHR's release who was out a fraction after Bell. So Bell could either run into RHR or Castroneves. As it turned out, by choosing the latter, he got both and the blame. Had he chose the former, RHR would have gotten the penalty, and both would still be hurt.

 

[Timothy A]

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I throw Power under the bus and he wins a race. I throw JPM under the bus and he doesn't get up.

I like the idea of the virtual safety car in Indy, it takes the luck out of the yellows the way they run it now.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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it takes the luck out of the yellows the way they run it now.

You guys know I'm a newbie for the most part but my son and I have pretty much concluded that a good amount of these races come down to luck as far as when a yellow comes out. I mean people are pitting early and hoping for a yellow. It kind of ridiculous.

I read that Power was talking about bringing in the VSC. I'm still trying to grasp the concept though. Power really had such a strange season up until he actually won this race in Detroit. Christ, he got penalized and lost out on what should have been a pole Sunday morning. Crazy. Maybe this gets him going. Love seeing JPM struggle.

Pagenaud just keeps killing it. It's insane. The championship will be over before the reach Sonoma at this pace. Keep an eye out for Dixon this weekend, he won Texas last year and has won 2 of the last 3 night races.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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I'll be in Watkins Glen this weekend for the Six Hours. Anyone else going?

 

[joecct]

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Mrs. Sir Jackie is not doing well. I hate dementia!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...wart-reveals-wife-is-vanishing-from-dementia/