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2015-2016 Division I Commitments

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Call It said:
Remember NAHA, SSM & Assabet are built by recruiting. The MN Teams at the NAHA Tournament are there for exposure. Hockeyeast33, if someone in MN put together a team to win the USA Hockey u19 National Championship… ummmm Game OVER!!! And in some years the USA U18 team would lose too.
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Disagree. There are diminishing returns and lots of kids are similar. The #1 team would not always beat the #2 team. You could make a #2 Team USA and compete/beat the top USA team. You could make a #1 NHL all-star team and they wouldn't necessarily beat the #2 team. The difference in the games would be a few kids, but there is a lot of talent that is similar below that. You also need to recognize that most club teams are not all-star teams. In Illinois, 2 clubs have teams consisitently in the top 5 in country. Combining those teams would be able to compete with the #1 MN team, but a #2 Illinois team would probably get clobbered by a #2 MN team because of depth.

In other words, the difference with MN is that they have a greater pool of Elite talent - witnessed by the fact that they can send multiple teams (with younger kids) to NAHA and do very well.
 
96IllinoisDad said:
Disagree. There are diminishing returns and lots of kids are similar. The #1 team would not always beat the #2 team. You could make a #2 Team USA and compete/beat the top USA team. You could make a #1 NHL all-star team and they wouldn't necessarily beat the #2 team. The difference in the games would be a few kids, but there is a lot of talent that is similar below that. You also need to recognize that most club teams are not all-star teams. In Illinois, 2 clubs have teams consisitently in the top 5 in country. Combining those teams would be able to compete with the #1 MN team, but a #2 Illinois team would probably get clobbered by a #2 MN team because of depth.

In other words, the difference with MN is that they have a greater pool of Elite talent - witnessed by the fact that they can send multiple teams (with younger kids) to NAHA and do very well.
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How does that prove anything. If Mass could get the top 50-60 girls together and build several ""all-star teams like the Minnesota teams are constructed they would be just as strong as the Minny teams. Problem in MA is that everyone hates each other so it will never happen.
 
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North East DAD said:
How does that prove anything. If Mass could get the top 50-60 girls together and build several ""all-star teams like the Minnesota teams are constructed they would be just as strong as the Minny teams. Problem in MA is that everyone hates each other so it will never happen.
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Um, I was trying to prove that a MN all-star team wouldn't automatically win the U19 national championship "game over". Secondly, I was pointing out that states like Illinois could do just fine with 1 team - but admitted MN was deeper than Illinois in elite talent.

Your post apparently agrees with those points, but I assume you think MA has just as deep of talent as MN. I wouldn't know, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
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96IllinoisDad said:
Your post apparently agrees with those points, but I assume you think MA has just as deep of talent as MN. I wouldn't know, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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I would think if it did you would see MA about equal to MN in the various commitment threads. Based on those numbers the D1 coaches apparently believe MN does have more depth.
 
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I'm a midwestern elitist so yeah, I'd put cash money on the 50-60 MN over the 50-60 MA.
 
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96IllinoisDad said:
Um, I was trying to prove that a MN all-star team wouldn't automatically win the U19 national championship "game over". Secondly, I was pointing out that states like Illinois could do just fine with 1 team - but admitted MN was deeper than Illinois in elite talent.

Your post apparently agrees with those points, but I assume you think MA has just as deep of talent as MN. I wouldn't know, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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I'm loving the debate & banter. There are great players everywhere, there are just more of them in MN :)
 
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Boston College
Makenna Newkirk.......F.......(Team Pittsburgh).............Scottsdale,Arizona
 
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These are taken from the most recent commitment threads. Not 100% accurate, but they do reflect the last reported totals by Hux for each year:

2014-15: Minn 40, Mass 12
2015-16: Minn 24, Mass 05
2016-17: Minn 06, Mass 00
Totals...: Minn 70, Mass 17

So obviously the coaches must disagree! And yes, things could change going forward, but recent history says Minny has the greater depth.
 
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Merrimack
Beatrice Dufour.........D.......(London Devilettes)........Sarnia, Ontario
 
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Call It said:
Assabet's try-out policy is crazy! You would think it would hurt them but they do continue to win (disclaimer: no MN teams are there or NAHA, referring to USA Hockey Nationals)
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OMG did they move Shattuck St Mary's?????? Where to?
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
You are correct and I was not aware of the 2013 game. 1 win falls into the exception from "pretty much always beats", so I'll stick by what I said. Assabet pretty regularly plays SSM at Nationals and beats them.

The only result on the SSM website against BSM I see is listed as a win for SSM, so I can't comment on that. If memory serves me that wasn't one of SSM's finer teams but I could be wrong or have the wrong year. Regardless, not sure it proves anything.

Lastly - Assabet in not MY team - UCONN Fan will be happy to attest to that :)
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Concur.
 
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What were the outcomes, if any between SSM and Assabet during the twins enrollment at SSM? I thought SSM was national champs a time or two at that time. Am I mistaken?
 
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brookyone said:
What were the outcomes, if any between SSM and Assabet during the twins enrollment at SSM? I thought SSM was national champs a time or two at that time. Am I mistaken?
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Last 10 U19 National Titles: 5 for SSM, 4 for Assabet, 1 for Mission. In that period, SSM and Assabet met each other 4 times in the final game, splitting 2 and 2. I think most independent observers would declare them pretty evenly matched at U19. Assabet has a bit of an edge in the past 10 years at U16, with 5 titles won, against 3 for SSM. Only 1 head-to-head during that era, with the win going to SSM. Reasonable parity?
 
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2GirlsinHKY said:
Last 10 U19 National Titles: 5 for SSM, 4 for Assabet, 1 for Mission. In that period, SSM and Assabet met each other 4 times in the final game, splitting 2 and 2. I think most independent observers would declare them pretty evenly matched at U19. Assabet has a bit of an edge in the past 10 years at U16, with 5 titles won, against 3 for SSM. Only 1 head-to-head during that era, with the win going to SSM. Reasonable parity?
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Thanks. Seems the 10 year time period results do not support some assertions I've read in this thread then.
 
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brookyone said:
Thanks. Seems the 10 year time period results do not support some assertions I've read in this thread then.
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The problem with using national titles as a measure of current program quality is that by the time you have enough of them to constitute a meaningful sample, you've gone back far enough that you are using seasons in which they aren't really reflective of the current programs.
 
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