2015-2016 Division I Commitments

[Hello]

The problem with using national titles as a measure of current program quality is that by the time you have enough of them to constitute a meaningful sample, you've gone back far enough that you are using seasons in which they aren't really reflective of the current programs.

Are you suggesting SSM's current program is not among the top in the country? U19's lost in 2014 Championship to Assabet and the 16's won their 2nd in a row.

 

[D2D]

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The problem with using national titles as a measure of current program quality is that by the time you have enough of them to constitute a meaningful sample, you've gone back far enough that you are using seasons in which they aren't really reflective of the current programs.

Very true. On the men's forum there is a thread titled "The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59". The guy doing the ranking is down to the Top 20, but there are a handful of programs that will appear have not done much of anything in the last decade or two. They will make the Top 20 based on their achievements in the early years of men's D1 hockey. The key question becomes, where do you draw the line? If "All Time" then I suppose you should count all years equally.

 

[brookyone]

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The problem with using national titles as a measure of current program quality is that by the time you have enough of them to constitute a meaningful sample, you've gone back far enough that you are using seasons in which they aren't really reflective of the current programs.

If I only wanted to reflect on the current programs that would probably be true. Or maybe define "current" I guess. Myself I'm okay with a ten year sample per this particular matter which was initially just a program A vs. program B question for me. Not just for the past season or two...or three.

 

[mar7967]

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Found a few commits for RIT, I'm guessing for the 2015-2016 season.
Jenna de Jonge ..............G .................(Pursuit of Excellence) ....................Abbotsford, BC
Reagan Rust .................F ..............(Pittsburgh Penguins Elite)

 

[Eeyore]

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Are you suggesting SSM's current program is not among the top in the country? U19's lost in 2014 Championship to Assabet and the 16's won their 2nd in a row.

I have no idea which junior teams are among the top in the country. It's not something I follow. I'm making an observation about statistics and the use of championships to draw inferences.

 

[2GirlsinHKY]

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I have no idea which junior teams are among the top in the country. It's not something I follow. I'm making an observation about statistics and the use of championships to draw inferences.

Just curious, what might be a better measure of relative strength than head-to-head records or National Titles?

 

[Eeyore]

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Just curious, what might be a better measure of relative strength than head-to-head records or National Titles?

I'll start by saying that I'm really not familiar with junior hockey so take what I say as a starting point rather than an end point. That said, my guess is that there really isn't a good way to compare the strength of these teams. Just from reading this thread, I get the impression that they don't play each other head-to-head often enough for the results to be meaningful. Unless they play a lot of games against common opponents guesswork and scouting would be all that we have to go by.

 

[2GirlsinHKY]

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I'll start by saying that I'm really not familiar with junior hockey so take what I say as a starting point rather than an end point. That said, my guess is that there really isn't a good way to compare the strength of these teams. Just from reading this thread, I get the impression that they don't play each other head-to-head often enough for the results to be meaningful. Unless they play a lot of games against common opponents guesswork and scouting would be all that we have to go by.

I would agree that the data set is imperfect. There are some other measures (numbers of graduates heading for high-end D1 programs, MyHockeyrankings, etc) to round out the comparison, but your fundamental conclusion is probably valid: they are both very good programs and the question of which one is better can really only be sorted by well-intentioned people drinking beer and discussing these points at length. All in favor?

 

[96IllinoisDad]

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I would agree that the data set is imperfect. There are some other measures (numbers of graduates heading for high-end D1 programs, MyHockeyrankings, etc) to round out the comparison, but your fundamental conclusion is probably valid: they are both very good programs and the question of which one is better can really only be sorted by well-intentioned people drinking beer and discussing these points at length. All in favor?

Your comparing apples and oranges. Assabet is without peer in terms of hockey club. SSM is without peer in terms of hockey-full time-prep school.

Their final U19/U16 teams are currently about the same by the time nationals roll around, but each takes a much different path getting there.

 

[pokechecker]

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since the idea of these two teams, although by different methods, is to prepare the players for college, ..... let's pause here for those who chose to disagree to collect their thoughts ...., a simple and accurate comparison would be to compare the % of players who go on to play college, and they could be further measured by which one better prepares for D3, and which for D1, and further broken down, which one send the most to top programs

 

[Ted Knight]

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since the idea of these two teams, although by different methods, is to prepare the players for college, ..... let's pause here for those who chose to disagree to collect their thoughts ...., a simple and accurate comparison would be to compare the % of players who go on to play college, and they could be further measured by which one better prepares for D3, and which for D1, and further broken down, which one send the most to top programs

Assabet is easy enough to check...the website has that information.

 

[rangersrule]

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SSM graduated 11 girls from their prep team... 8 are playing D-1 and 2 are playing D-3.. Two girls are going to Wisconsin, one to Providence, one to Dartmouth, one to Northeastern, one to Vermont, and 2 to D-3 St. Norbert. Not sure about the last girl or if she is even playing hockey anymore...

since the idea of these two teams, although by different methods, is to prepare the players for college, ..... let's pause here for those who chose to disagree to collect their thoughts ...., a simple and accurate comparison would be to compare the % of players who go on to play college, and they could be further measured by which one better prepares for D3, and which for D1, and further broken down, which one send the most to top programs

 

[96IllinoisDad]

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SSM graduated 11 girls from their prep team... 8 are playing D-1 and 2 are playing D-3.. Two girls are going to Wisconsin, one to Providence, one to Dartmouth, one to Northeastern, one to Vermont, and 2 to D-3 St. Norbert. Not sure about the last girl or if she is even playing hockey anymore...

Mission: 12 grads - 8 D1; 4 D3

D1 Schools: Vermont (2), Minnesota, MN State, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, RIT
D3 School: Williams, St Anselm, St Mary, St Norbert

12 Kids played at Mission from 2-7 years with the average time played at Mission of 5.166 years

 

[Eeyore]

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since the idea of these two teams, although by different methods, is to prepare the players for college, ..... let's pause here for those who chose to disagree to collect their thoughts ...., a simple and accurate comparison would be to compare the % of players who go on to play college, and they could be further measured by which one better prepares for D3, and which for D1, and further broken down, which one send the most to top programs

An underappreciated, oft-ignored, and absolutely critical element of measuring and comparing anything is knowing exactly what you mean by "better".

 

[UCONN FAN]

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An underappreciated, oft-ignored, and absolutely critical element of measuring and comparing anything is knowing exactly what you mean by "better".

I'd hate to live on the difference. Both are quality programs..

 

[2GirlsinHKY]

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I'd hate to live on the difference. Both are quality programs..

Amen to that!

 

[ARM]

since the idea of these two teams, although by different methods, is to prepare the players for college, ..... let's pause here for those who chose to disagree to collect their thoughts ...., a simple and accurate comparison would be to compare the % of players who go on to play college, and they could be further measured by which one better prepares for D3, and which for D1, and further broken down, which one send the most to top programs

One variable in analyzing how well the student athletes were prepared for college hockey by the two programs would be the quality of the players upon entry into S-SM or Assabet. My impression of Shattuck's roster in year's gone by is that there was a lot of impact in the top couple of lines, but the talent level eroded considerably near the bottom of the depth chart. Therefore, there may be a few players on the roster who weren't bound for D-I no matter what path they chose at the prep level. The same could be true of Assabet; I don't know. If the talent coming into the two is not equivalent, it makes it tough to compare the two based on talent coming out.

I agree with the earlier poster that the two programs represent two different options, and I'm glad that young ladies have all of these options.

 

[pokechecker]

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I'd hate to live on the difference. Both are quality programs..

so does that mean the argument is over, of who is best?

 

[vicb]

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I for one hope so. Lets get back to actually figuring out which colleges the girls for this class will be heading to.

 

[Dust Bucket]

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Union
Leah Patrick....G.....Hill Murray....Hudson, WI