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2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

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Making an exception to my code for this one. Brooky and I agree 100% on this one. Its a miracle. :D

Great post of the day by PuckRush. Well Done as Jim Rome would say !.
 
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Nice post. I don't think that an office environment is a relevant comparison to a sports environment. For example, it isn't appropriate in an office environment for a boss to forcefully pat a female employee on her shoulder, even as a friendly gesture, but it is normal in hockey for players wearing shoulder pads.

Saw Kevin Dineen do that very same thing while talking to one of his players on the bench in the Canada/Switzerland game today.
 
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Nice post. I don't think that an office environment is a relevant comparison to a sports environment. For example, it isn't appropriate in an office environment for a boss to forcefully pat a female employee on her shoulder, even as a friendly gesture, but it is normal in hockey for players wearing shoulder pads. Also, a worker who rushed up to a coworker and tackled her in joy would likely be punished, where it happens frequently in goal celebrations. It is just a different environment with different standards of conduct.

HawkieGuy said "A paid employee of the school went over a line that no business in this country would tolerate..". So I was including the office discussion for HawkieGuy's benefit. His statement infers that if a line was crossed in business, then it's crossed in college athletics. I don't believe that to be true, and I hope he'd agree now.
 
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I have been following this thread for a while now. Interesting reading to say the least. I'm not affiliated in any way with UNH (except some family attended eons ago) and don't have any facts except what has been reported. Here's what I know from news reports:

1. An incident occurred on the bench on Nov 30. We know that at the least, the coach admits to grabbing her shirt and giving her verbal admonishment.
2. The coach was terminated (I assume for "cause", which usually means he forfeits contractual benefits upon termination).
3. Fast forward about 2 months later, and a female "victim" files a complaint of simple assault with the UNH police department.
4. UNH asks for and receives assist from County and local police authorities. The investigation "is based on that (Nov 30) incident."

Feel free to tell me if I'm missing any facts that we all can agree on.

Now for some speculation and innuendo. What are the possible motives for a criminal investigation?

1. From the player's perspective, it could be simply that she feels termination isn't enough of a punishment, or she feels like the story has to get out so that everyone understands why she complained to UNH. But for financial motive, it is also possible that this could also be the precursor to a civil complaint, i.e. a lawsuit against McCloskey and UNH (UNH can't escape the suit as employer). If Coach is guilty of a misdemeanor, it helps support a civil case by the player, although she would have to show damages.

Agree with most of this. UNH *could* escape civil liability IF Coach was deemed to be acting far outside the course of employment with the severity of the alleged conduct - especially so if there was no previous history of such conduct. A longshot result though.

Damages would be VERY difficult to prove, though. Unless there was medical treatment or some sort of counseling, I would think. It is my understanding the player did not miss a shift in the subject game, played the next game, and for all I know continues to play.


2. From UNH's perspective, they may have encouraged a criminal complaint. Why? Because a finding of guilt for a misdemeanor would reinforce the termination with cause of McCloskey. The University should be concerned about a wrongful termination suit against them by McCloskey. He said that he grabbed a shirt and admonished the player, and that would likely not support a termination for cause in the eyes of a court or jury (although with a man vs woman, maybe they would?... see below for more on that). If he can show wrongful termination, and on top of that, that he is now unemployable in his field of expertise, he's got a pretty big payday coming. But if it can be shown that a misdemeanor was committed, their decision to terminate with cause is supported. The interesting thing here is that the UNH Police are definitely not an independent policing authority - they are an agency of the University. So it is plausible that there was encouragement by the UNH police department (who may have been encouraged by UNH lawyers) to get the player to file a criminal complaint. I find it interesting that the complaint wasn't filed immediately, but instead was lodged 60 days after the incident - maybe that's bad reporting, but if that's the case, it's unusual. By the way, bringing in Durham and county police agencies to assist/lead allows the investigation itself to ostensibly be unbiased.

I'm glad it was not me who posted this. But it is a very real (and very logically sound) potential motive.

3. For McCloskey, well, he probably would prefer no criminal investigation. The investigation further damages his reputation, and I think it is likely if it wasn't true before, it is true now that he is unemployable as a hockey coach. Although, the upside for him is that if a criminal charge isn't filed as a result of the investigation, that he would then have some further support for a wrongful termination suit.

Absolutely 100% dead-on accurate. And keep in mind, Coach is already represented by one of the most pre-eminent employment law attorneys in Boston ... who just happens to be a female. Who better than to represent Coach on the "male vs. female" issues you outline in the next paragraph. Very shrewd move by Coach.

For those who have asked "so when is the line crossed?"... it can be different from industry to industry and even employer to employer. Courts look to "norms" in a particular setting as a guideline to determine "if a line has been crossed". A coach grabbing a jersey and yelling at a player may be considered "reasonable behavior" in college football or hockey. It may not be seen that way in collegiate gymnastics or crew however. We do know that it is clearly unacceptable behavior in most office environments. Interestingly, physical abuse of a female athlete by a male coach may be considered differently than male to male or female to female. In other words, there might be a higher standard of conduct expected of a male coach who uses physicality with a female athlete, because of the perceived physical advantages of men over women (although I think these players could probably "handle themselves" with McCloskey). This male coach/female athlete relationship in a "rough and tough" sport like ice hockey is a relatively new phenomena, so this situation could establish some precedents.

Very salient points here. Do keep in mind however ... Coach McCloskey is not a hulking young guy, and until/unless someone tells me otherwise, he has no history of physical abuse of his players. And the purported victim was hardly intimidated by him, when she was unleashing a torrent of expletives at him as he attempted to address her after a substandard shift. Regardless of what you think of Coach's actions ... I suspect teammates will back Coach up about her use of expletives. And if so, the alleged *victim* seems less a victim, and more a significant contributing cause of her own purported damages.

For those who question UNH's handling of the case, you need to be careful. If, for example, the CI and subsequent trial results in a finding that McCloskey punched or pushed the player (not saying that happened, just theoretical), then UNH had absolutely no choice in the matter. UNH also has the sticky situation (mentioned above) of a male coach getting rough with a female athlete. UNH has significant financial exposure here - a lawsuit either from a player if they don't act, or from the coach if they over-acted. So when I say "be careful", it's because UNH was not presented with an easy, clear-cut problem to solve. The administration has a fiduciary responsibility to protect the university, even at the expense of a loyal coach's career. If you are the UNH President, for the financial sake of the institution, you may have made the same, exact decision.

Agreed, again to a point though. UNH easily could have avoided the libelous nature of the ham-handed press release that went out, and I get the sense that point alone is what angers many folks on this thread who have otherwise kept an open mind as to what actually happened. And if that is indeed the case ... is it therefore President Huddleston's fiduciary responsibility to sanction those who have thus created an entirely avoidable civil exposure (i.e. libel), and have complicated it by failing to issue a retraction or modification?

Lots of food for thought. I hope the conversation remains civil.

This was really an exceptional and insightful post, which does indeed touch on a lot of interesting questions.

I've attempted to highlight what I see as the most pertinent of your points in bold along with my thoughts below yours in each section.

Hopefully I have not messed up any formatting. :) Thanks for adding to the discourse in a very positive way.
 
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Nice post. I don't think that an office environment is a relevant comparison to a sports environment.
I on the other hand believe it's entirely relevant in the context of a gesture that is not congratulatory or friendly in nature especially. Even those can be unwanted in the workplace and get you in trouble. I think it's very relevant. From the standpoint of an obligation of an employer to ensure a safe, secure environment to work in, free of unwanted physical contact of any kind, the university sure does have that same obligation for student athletes. I think it's a fair conclusion we're not talking about a friendly gesture in this case. For gestures / physical contact of a disciplinary, admonishing, even just attention getting manner it doesn't fly in any office / work environment or the environment in question. If any party...the player personally feels the contact was out of bounds she has a right to lodge her complaint. There's an obligation to investigate. As a former long time business owner of a company with anywhere from 50-100 employees I can advise that PuckRush is spot on regarding the liability concerns the employer MUST have with a grave concern for safety and secure working environment that the university MUST also provide. I dealt with these very circumstances more than once in the workplace, between employees both as equals and between management and those they supervised.

For the safety and security of company employees in the work environment and the student athlete in the university environment the comparison per obligation to provide a safe, secure environment void of anything that can even be perceived as discomforting and threatening is relevant.

This should not be interpreted as an op-ed of this specific incident.
 
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To Chuck Murray:

Thanks for your careful reading and analysis.

Sorry for forgetting to say something on PR topic... your quote: "UNH easily could have avoided the libelous nature of the ham-handed press release that went out, and I get the sense that point alone is what angers many folks on this thread who have otherwise kept an open mind as to what actually happened."

You are right on with this comment. The inference in the release left reasonable people wondering if the incident was sexual in nature. Fodder for coach's council in a civil case, that's for sure.

One concern though... you said after the paragraph about UNH's motives, "Glad I didn't post that". Am I in trouble for implying UNH PD may be a tool of the admin? (just kidding and know you were too). The reality is that business leaders have stretched (and annihilated) ethics in the past to preserve the bottom line, and their own jobs.
 
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"There is no legitimate defense for what UNH has done here. It's shameful and disgraceful. As an alum, I am disgusted, embarrassed and angry."
Replace UNH with Penn State and you've just quoted half of State College PA...Ouch... unfortunately very true...
Again, sticking to FACTS (Stick Boy a fact is something that is indisputably the case...I'm sorry..a fact is something that cannot be denied)... the coach crossed a line...plain and simple..Was he a good coach?? Seemingly so, although the program had shown signs of slipping, but all programs cycle.. But we are not debating his coaching expertise.. we're talking about a situation where a coach crossed a definitive line. Now, if it had happened before and was accepted practice, then shame on the college for not stepping in and reinforcing the proverbial line. That, I will agree with and if the line was fuzzy then I would also question why the Athletic Director was not forthright in the past..or certainly being questioned now if that were the case.... But from an outsider's vantage point, this one happened in public, obviously was more than just a finger pointing (Cmon Stick.. you're better than that..), and forced a definitive decision to be made. Love the passion out here..just wish the blue colored glasses would come off a bit.

Hawkieguy - Your attempt to minimize the experience of the Associate Head Coach and Assistant Head Coach was clearly a poor one. You left out the NCAA championships, and combined 14+ years of college coaching experience, the vast majority of it at the D1 level. And shame on you for trying to connect this is some sick way to the Penn State tragedy. But more than that, let me go out there and suggest that your assumption that the coach "crossed a line" is incorrect. I coached for 30+ years, some in high school, many in college, some internationally, at many levels. Even the worst description I can find of Coach McCloskey's actions - to me and many CURRENT Division 1 & 3 coaches I know - isn't crossing a line. It's called disciplining an insubordinate player. You want to assume the worse. I would submit to you that one of the worst actions here is the damage inflicted on the now former coach and the UNH women's ice hockey program by the Athletic Director. I personally feel this player in question is being used by others. I'd like to hear her story first hand, not through investigations.
 
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To Chuck Murray:

Thanks for your careful reading and analysis.

Sorry for forgetting to say something on PR topic... your quote: "UNH easily could have avoided the libelous nature of the ham-handed press release that went out, and I get the sense that point alone is what angers many folks on this thread who have otherwise kept an open mind as to what actually happened."

You are right on with this comment. The inference in the release left reasonable people wondering if the incident was sexual in nature. Fodder for coach's council in a civil case, that's for sure.

One concern though... you said after the paragraph about UNH's motives, "Glad I didn't post that". Am I in trouble for implying UNH PD may be a tool of the admin? (just kidding and know you were too). The reality is that business leaders have stretched (and annihilated) ethics in the past to preserve the bottom line, and their own jobs.

No, you're not in trouble. :) It's just nice seeing someone else come into the discussion and pick up a lot of the subtleties, from all sides of the debate.

Something else that resonates (to me anyway) was the last bit of ExHockeyguy's last post, as quoted below:

I would submit to you that one of the worst actions here is the damage inflicted on the now former coach and the UNH women's ice hockey program by the Athletic Director. I personally feel this player in question is being used by others. I'd like to hear her story first hand, not through investigations.

(emphasis added)

These thoughts and feelings are also shared by more than a few out there.

And let's be clear about this. I'm not advocating for "pitchforks and torches" to ferret out the complainant/alleged victim in this sorry saga. Coach obviously knows who that player is, and so obviously does the AD (if not others in the AD's office). Coach has chosen not to put that player's identity into the public realm - despite what has happened to him - so I respect that and follow his example.

Is it possible that said player is being manipulated by others at or around UNH to *manage* the situation? Stranger things have happened, as PuckRush points out at the very end of that last post. The timing of the late report (and going first to the UNH Police) does raise questions that beg for answers. And perhaps some folks find the "no comment" posture taken by key figures on the UNH side of the discussion just a little too convenient and self-serving - especially when some of those same figures were directly involved in the ham-handed press release that so carelessly (possibly deliberately?) misled the public as to the true nature of the incident.

Lots of food for thought out there, and I suspect we're still only getting to the "tip of the iceberg" so far ...
 
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I think the analysis is going way too deep. To a neutral party who has advised businesses on employment matters, it was quite obvious that the administration wanted to terminate the coach and get out of paying him his long term contract "for cause". The incident was used as an opportunity to justify and accomplish this. If the institution really thought it was in an sticky situation, he would have "resigned" and remained on the payroll. It is all about the money - always is.

Everything you see from the institution now is typical "cya". Unless those involved were very careful (and my experience most are not), the depositions and the contemporaneous emails should be very interesting reading.
 
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I think the analysis is going way too deep. To a neutral party who has advised businesses on employment matters, it was quite obvious that the administration wanted to terminate the coach and get out of paying him his long term contract "for cause". The incident was used as an opportunity to justify and accomplish this. If the institution really thought it was in an sticky situation, he would have "resigned" and remained on the payroll. It is all about the money - always is.

Everything you see from the institution now is typical "cya". Unless those involved were very careful (and my experience most are not), the depositions and the contemporaneous emails should be very interesting reading.

Good points. I've long said that if the university wanted to get rid of Mac, the unprecedented, on ice results were more than enough justification. But as you say, this could have been the opportunity they were looking for to get out of paying the rest of the contract.

Anybody recall when Mac's last renewed his contract?
 
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The last couple of weeks have been rough on the 'Cats, as the outcomes of the games are not what any of us hoped for. Looking past that, this team has battled a short bench, a mid-season coaching change, and numerous injuries, yet has still managed to come out fighting every game. One of the reasons for this is the solid leadership of our 2013 - 2014 Senior Class.


Sunday at 2pm marks the last game at the Whitt for this class, and the last regular season contest. To celebrate the class of 2014, there will be a ceremony on the ice prior to the game, so plan on getting to the Whitt early to honor three special Wildcats. After the game, join us at the Alumni Center for a reception to continue the Senior Day celebration. If you would like to bring a dish to share, please do. If you have questions about how or what to bring, please contact me at this email, and I'll help you out!


Nicole Gifford
Giff has worn a letter on her sweater for three of her four years, and has grown as both a player and a leader during her time at UNH. Voted Best Defensive Forward beginning her Rookie Season, Nicole has taken her game further, and at the time of this writing, leads the Wildcats in points (21) and goals, (11). She has scored in three of the last four games, and has reduced her penaly minutes from a season high of 26 as a sophomore to just 12 this year, while logging many minutes on both special teams in addition to her regular shift. She also ranks 10th overall among Hockey East players and 9th in Hockey East only in face off wins.
In this, her Senior year, as sole Captain, Nicole Gifford has had to deal with many obstacles both on and off the ice, and has done so with strength and dignity, traits that not only enabled her to face the challenges of this year, but serve as an example to those who follow in her footsteps, and will lead her to success as she steps into her future.

Arielle O'Neill
Arielle exploded onto Lake Whitt in her Rookie season, finishing as the second highest scorer on the team, and the highest among her classmates, but what set her apart from all is her ability in the faceoff circle. This year, O'Neill sits atop the list in Hockey East, having the highest winning percentage both over all, and within the Hockey East schedule. With the shortage in the ranks, Arielle was asked to make the change from forward to defense, and did so naturally. Some might argue that playing from the back with her vision and experience made her even a greater offensive threat. as she led all defensemen in goals before being moved back to the forward line a few games ago. Her career numbers of 28 goals and 25 assists speak to her ability to set up a play as well as finish.

Jessica Hitchcock
By the grace of the hockey gods in Niagara came Jess Hitchcock, and in the two years we were fortunate enough to have her in blue and white, she certainly made a name for herself. Currently one point behind leader Nicole Gifford in points, Hitchcock leads the team in helpers, with 13. She is also on the top of the career points list with 73, and shots on net, with 120,and the leader in plus/minus. Two years in Durham were not enough for Wildcat fans, but we are grateful that she chose to finish her career at UNH!
 
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Just for your information, I don't generally wear a hockey jersey to games, but if / when I do, the 4 years I played hockey for the University of New Hampshire guarantee that my colors are the real thing.

What was their record again when you played. Was there not an undefeated streak of 56 wins in a row or something, which was an NCAA record until it got broken recently by the Gophers. ?.
 
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I think the analysis is going way too deep. To a neutral party who has advised businesses on employment matters, it was quite obvious that the administration wanted to terminate the coach and get out of paying him his long term contract "for cause". The incident was used as an opportunity to justify and accomplish this. If the institution really thought it was in an sticky situation, he would have "resigned" and remained on the payroll. It is all about the money - always is.

Everything you see from the institution now is typical "cya". Unless those involved were very careful (and my experience most are not), the depositions and the contemporaneous emails should be very interesting reading.

I agree that they may have been trying to kill two birds with one stone (i.e. termination and no money), but I don't think the "sticky" situation was apparent to UNH at the time of termination. It looks pretty sticky now though - he's got an attorney, and in the absence of something more than grabbing a shirt and verbal admonishment, I think UNH is going to have a hard time justifying the severity of the penalty. The cost to UNH could be high too. The coach cannot only file claim for contractual benefits lost, but also potentially for defamation (professional reputation called into question) which could be a bigger judgement than the contract itself. I'm sure, based on your past experience advising in employment matters, that you would agree that UNH would take resignation and settlement (negotiated, they wouldn't have just paid the contract) over where they are now.
 
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UNH's undefeated streak was 73-0-1 run that ended with a loss in the 2nd game of the '81-'82 season...DC's senior year. Within that 74 game stretch there were 56 wins in a row - you are correct OnMAA.
 
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-his-career/3fM9yPNr9h9hfqcyFxQf1J/story.html

A Boston Globe story on the incident between Brian McCloskey and Haley Breedlove. It gives McCloskey's version, supported by an unnamed player who witnessed it. Probably the most notable statement -- and a likely trial approach -- is that this would not have been an issue had the coach been a female. Left unsaid is the counterpart, that this also would not have been an issue had the contact been between a male coach and a male team. In my view, this is regrettable to women's equality, as it makes women appear frail and victims, and perpetuates the reprehensible notion that women need special protections. Based on all of the information made known to date, and unless other information comes to light, I believe Breedlove is doing her "cause" a disservice. And even if she could view this as being inappropriate for him to continue coaching, I have a hard time understanding her further decision to pursue a criminal case. I understand the University investigation taking on a life of its own, but the story states that the criminal case was pushed by Breedlove.
 
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Not big on the Globe spilling her name, even if it was known to most.
 
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She wasn't a sexual assault victim. Why does she deserve protection?
Just personal preference, they were fully within their rights to and I am not suggesting they acted unethically in doing so.

Comments on the article are pretty hit and miss - some insightful, some who know Mac personally, and a few 'this is why women shouldn't play hockey'/'end the program', etc. Argh, the stupid, it hurts...
 
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-his-career/3fM9yPNr9h9hfqcyFxQf1J/story.html

A Boston Globe story on the incident between Brian McCloskey and Haley Breedlove. It gives McCloskey's version, supported by an unnamed player who witnessed it. Probably the most notable statement -- and a likely trial approach -- is that this would not have been an issue had the coach been a female. Left unsaid is the counterpart, that this also would not have been an issue had the contact been between a male coach and a male team. In my view, this is regrettable to women's equality, as it makes women appear frail and victims, and perpetuates the reprehensible notion that women need special protections. Based on all of the information made known to date, and unless other information comes to light, I believe Breedlove is doing her "cause" a disservice. And even if she could view this as being inappropriate for him to continue coaching, I have a hard time understanding her further decision to pursue a criminal case. I understand the University investigation taking on a life of its own, but the story states that the criminal case was pushed by Breedlove.

Hard to pursue a criminal case without the alleged victim's support. The fact it took 60+ days to pursue it in the first place suggests there *may* have been pressure brought to bear on the player from others. Why else wait so long?
 
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Actually, what surprised me most about the article is that fact that it said that McCloskey had her play more shifts that game, and that she suited up for the next game as well. If a player is going to swear at a coach and make a scene like that, you'd think being sat for the rest of that game or the next, would've been appropriate. I wonder why they threw that in the article. I guess to have people like me feel the need to comment on it!
I just hope all of this gets resolved sooner than later. It's disappointing to see a top-notch program like UNH really suffer the last few years. Many have alluded to the fact that this incident was a guise for the AD to get rid of McCloskey because they weren't winning, but to do it mid-year? Usually a coach is warned before the season and then in late March, early April, you see the job opening if it doesn't get done. I think at a D1 program it's a given (or should be at least!) that if you're not winning or doing well, there's a good chance you won't keep your job. However, firing a coach mid-year is not going to help a team win and it's only going to bring negative attention that program and the school.
As with many of you, this doesn't make sense to me, but who knows if McCloskey and the AD had a few ****ing matches before any of this happened. You just don't know what goes on behind closed doors.
 
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