2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

[KTDC]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Stick said "grabbed her by the jersey". And do you really think comparing this to the situation at Penn State is going to help your case?

What was the aggression that took place?

 

[zoofer]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

From an "outsiders point of view"....hence the issue. "Obviously"? Well I guess not so obvious to all those involved....

 

[Hawkieguy44]

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I'm comparing the reaction.. not the incident..remarkably similar in nature and what prompted me to write. Again, I respect the passion and the knowledge of hockey out here. But the reality is simple: Either it happened or it didn't...It did. Had it happened before and it was accepted behavior? Shame on administration if it had. Was this a product of a coach whose team had tuned him out and it boiled over?? I don't know that.. But what I do know is the lingering support of a coach terminated for clearly stepping over a line is bothersome and eerily similar to other examples previously mentioned and the diatribe written that I first responded to was absurd.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

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Yes... but very sad to outsiders seeing the reaction... very sad.

 

[ARM]

Replace UNH with Penn State and you've just quoted half of State College PA...Ouch... unfortunately very true...

You're overreaching at this point. A number of coaches have broken rules. It isn't a given that any time a coach breaks any rule the automatic penalty is termination.

What we are missing here is what actually happened. "Grabbed a player by her jersey" -- that could be just about anything, from flinging a player over the boards and onto the ice where everyone would agree that it is a serious offense, to something totally innocent like turning someone to get their attention that happens all the time in human interaction and the word "force" would never be used. Obviously, it wasn't at either of these points, but where in the spectrum did it fall? Unless one witnessed it or has viewed tape of the incident or interviewed witnesses, it is impossible to say what is or isn't a fair punishment.

 

[KTDC]

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"Either it happened or it didn't didn't". You still are not saying what "it" is. I believe I saw that the coach stated that he grabbed the collar of a player who was being insubordinate. If that is the case, then it seems that how hard the collar was grabbed and the context of the situation could be relevant. You are also not saying what the "line" is that was crossed. If it is physical contact of any sort, then again, if the contact isn't severe, and there is relevant context to the situation, then it may be that there may be other punishments possible than firing.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

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"Either it happened or it didn't didn't". You still are not saying what "it" is. I believe I saw that the coach stated that he grabbed the collar of a player who was being insubordinate. If that is the case, then it seems that how hard the collar was grabbed and the context of the situation could be relevant. You are also not saying what the "line" is that was crossed. If it is physical contact of any sort, then again, if the contact isn't severe, and there is relevant context to the situation, then it may be that there may be other punishments possible than firing.

The truth always emerges and it will...As I've stated a few times, whether this was a culmination of incidents or one incident that is deeper than what is assumed, it is quite evident that something of relevance occurred. As I have stated, I respect the passion that exists in most of the posts, except when people revert to name calling (when people spell "moron" incorrectly it does serve as great fodder.. sure hope that was not an alum!!!)
I took exception to the DC 78 post as it obviously was filled with personal agenda and a complete lack of perspective and facts. I would agree that it is always easy on the outside and I get that. My questions are simple to those in support..Where is the line?? Where. For me it is simple- when the integrity of a college student's experience is mishandled, something strong has to be done.. otherwise you'll be playing against the best players in the league instead of any wanting to play for your squad for years to come.

 

[DC78-82]

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I took exception to the DC 78 post as it obviously was filled with personal agenda and a complete lack of perspective and facts.

Okay, Hawkieguy, I have quoted every single post I have made on this thread here, with the exception of some press releases about our players in the Olympics and the Hockey East Weekly releases, Which one do you take exception to? I have endeavored to start, and keep this thread positive and about this team moving forward. Can you say the same? I don't think so. You've made five or six vitriolic posts since you appeared very suddenly today conveying nothing but negativity. Take all the exception to my posts that you want, but just know that I take exception to your attitude. I'm not hiding behind any anonymous screen name throwing out insults and accusations, so if you want to be taken seriously, get your facts straight and don't throw out ambiguous and erroneous accusations.

With a nice win against Dartmouth on Sunday, the 'Cats move into final week, and on to a much needed physical and mental break. A good time to start a fresh thread and put first semester in the rear view.

Let's head into the Christmas season with positive thoughts about this team, and look forward to the part of the season that really counts - the Hockey East race.

Here's to a successful 2014!

Ha - Nice try at implicating invading Martians and other undesireables, but alas, I started the thread in the Fall to welcome a new season with new promise. With the events of the last week and a half eclipsing the purpose of my starting the thread in the first place, which was to celebrate another year of UNH Women's Hockey, I wanted to start over on a good note (2 - 1 win over Dartmouth) and look optimistically forward to the new year.

Not really "i'm taking my ball and leaving", more like "The ball had a hole in it - here's another one."

Check yer rep~

Yes indeed. With the solid foundation we have now, and the recruits we have in the pipeline, the future is in our hands!

Someone got fired

Sent you an email~

HUX and I have both spoken to said goalies before, during, and after their decisions to leave. When faced with will I play, or will I open the door, a lot of goalies will try to find a spot that needs a goalie.

Since some of us are close to the program, and know extenuating circumstances behind such decisions, we are qualified at least to respond, but will generally bite our tongues before the details spill out, because said players deserve some privacy, and a chance to move on.

Portsmouth has more great places to eat than you could visit in a month! What are you looking for? I'm sure we can steer you in the right direction.


Unfortunately, I won't be at either game - playing in a tournament upstate, and times conflict, but HUX and most of the crowd will be there.

Thanks BOZ! Zaban sure did have some NIFTY MITTENS!

I guess that is one of the perks of that IVY League education - his peer group has his back.

In singling out a particular educational background, I was not in any way implying that us "Bluebloods" don't stand up for each other too. In fact, we sure do!

Our voting numbers are 12, with 8 of us voting in favor of the letter, one no vote not present, but since she wrote the first draft, I would be confident in that as a yes, two no, and one no vote (absent). "Small number" isn't the way I would describe us relative to the two no votes.

FOWH has made it abundantly clear that we give our full support to the team and the coaching staff going forward. The proposed letter has absolutely nothing to do with the team. It has to do with the defamation, willful or ignorant, of a person who's career and reputation has been unjustly tarnished. A powerful lesson for young adults here: choose your words carefully, as what you say can have long, and potentially devastating effects.

this!

UNH is playing BC at Conte that day, so I will be in Chestnut Hill supporting the 'Cats. Thanks though - Brown has great tradition!

Considering the author is local to Durham, and to my knowledge, not a HUGE (read apart from UNH, if even that) women's hockey fan, I'm surprised he even found the wrong name.

I was surprised when I saw that described as a brawl too. It was a two person shoving match with a couple of teammates trying to limit it to that. Interesting too, that they initially gave the BC penalty to Scarupa. Pick a number, any number, but make sure they are at least dressed

Good meeting you and the Daughter Sunday. I hope she gets that sweatshirt situation straightened out! That maroon and gold clashed with the blue and white jacket!

AGREE! Go 'CATS!

'Tis I who wrote such words of resignation. I send a weekly email to any UNH Women's Hockey fan who wants to be included, and have done so for years. I appreciate everyone who has reached out here in support of Coach Mac, but many of you are doing so as part of an anti-Scarano movement. I am taking a stand because I feel strongly that Coach Mac was wronged, but also in support of a team that maybe some of you haven't even seen play. I thank you for your support, but I also ask that you maybe spend a couple of hours of your time at the Whitt supporting a hockey team that could use some friendly faces in the crowd. It's $5.00 a ticket (adults), you can let your kids run free, safely, to play with WildE or Gnarlz, and the hockey is much better than you might think.


And you never know who you might be able to give the cold shoulder to between periods. It is someone's new favorite sport.

Thus ends a tough weekend for the 'Cats. Understandable given the plethora of distractions they had to endure during this week. Even winning out will not get them home ice for the opening round of Hockey East playoffs, so the goal for the remainder of the regular season needs to be working on the small things that have led them to defeat. From the weekend's games. and what I saw from the Maine web cast, they really need to take better care of the puck. There have been a lot of turnovers, particularly some dangerous passes through the high slot on the breakout, which resulted in several goals and multiple turnovers. On the other end of the ice, it seems like they have gotten less tenacious in front of the net, losing the rebound opportunities because the bodies aren't there. I've also noticed the D (over)-pinching at the blueline, which results in odd man rushes if they don't come up with the puck. This team has the tools to beat any team in the league, but they have to be playing hard and smart. Hard has been there, but smart, not always.

Four games left in the season - two against Vermont, and two against Northeastern, one of which is Senior Day.

Vermont is playing well, and has certainly elevated their game, plus they have, even in their darker years, given UNH trouble. UVM has a couple of quick forwards who are also goal scorers. They will have to be shut down. Douville has been playing well in net, but she is beatable. Bodies in front, get her moving.

Northeastern is going to be tough. Hot goalie, hot team, but UNH has found ways to shut them down in the past despite being the underdogs.

From here on out, UNH should focus on cleaning up the preventable mistakes, and keeping the game simple as they use the next two weeks to prepare for their playoff game. Regardless of who they draw, they have the capability of winning if they execute to their potential.

Throughout the distraction that has plagued this team, I would like to mention that Senior Captain, Nicole Gifford has led this team admirably through what may be as difficult a time as one can imagine. Kudos to her for putting team first, and leading her team by playing her game, and leaving her heart on the ice every day.

 

[DC78-82]

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I just checked Hawkieguy44's profile to see where it came from from, and "Hawkieguy44 has not made any friends yet" is all I could find. Surprise, surprise.

 

[ARM]

(when people spell "moron" incorrectly it does serve as great fodder.. sure hope that was not an alum!!!)

"What a maroon" is a classic Bugs Bunny line. I don't think Bugs is an alum anywhere.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

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Wow DC.. you sure have a LOT of time on your hands...Ironically you left out the prose you wrote which I felt compelled to respond to. How convenient. I will tackle this one though:
"It has to do with the defamation, willful or ignorant, of a person who's career and reputation has been unjustly tarnished. A powerful lesson for young adults here: choose your words carefully, as what you say can have long, and potentially devastating effects."
Unjustly tarnished... Who did this??? Who tarnished a reputation?? Who?? You??? Me??? Friends of BU hockey?? The Drama club??? Buggs Bunny????No... it was the actions of an individual who for the better part of 20 plus years OWNED his actions and quite honestly did a great job running a solid program. (Oh no, here comes that word....)BUT... when you are a coach you take the poop with the ice cream and unfortunately for all involved a lotta poop was stepped in. Look, it's obvious you live for supporting the program and I respect that.. Maybe a bit over the top??? Hmmm... maybe but I'm not one to really assess that...
We do agree on one thing you said.. "this is a powerful lesson for young adults"... It's obviously a lesson for everyone involved with the program. Your coach went too far and paid the appropriate consequence. Was it one incident or a cluster of situations leading up to this?? To me it doesn't matter..To some of you it obviously does. But I will end my rant with one question...Does it really make any sense that a coach would be terminated for just yelling, pointing a finger, and turning the player around on the bench??? Does it?? If it does, then the emperor really isn't wearing any clothes..

 

[Cali]

"What a maroon" is a classic Bugs Bunny line. I don't think Bugs is an alum anywhere.

Not to be confused with "nincowpoop"

 

[NCAA watcher]

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Your coach went too far and paid the appropriate consequence. Was it one incident or a cluster of situations leading up to this?? To me it doesn't matter..To some of you it obviously does. But I will end my rant with one question...Does it really make any sense that a coach would be terminated for just yelling, pointing a finger, and turning the player around on the bench??? Does it?? If it does, then the emperor really isn't wearing any clothes..

Your posts are well stated, but I have a question.
We all seem to agree that our views of the incident depend upon what we believe to be the severity of the incident. (You seem to acknowledge that there was no prior incidents.) You ask us whether it is reasonable for a coach to be terminated solely for minimal contact. I'm not sure whether you are suggesting that you know it was more, or whether you are asking us to conclude that it was more simply because it would have to have been more or it would be unreasonable. I'm not sure people buy into that reasoning, trusting the decision makers.

If you are not only speculating, but have actual knowledge of the severity, the question most of us would have is how such a severe incident could have occurred in public without most (other than perhaps those on the bench), taking notice.

Lastly, I have a question about the accuser, and the decision to push a criminal investigation. If you believe the incident warrants termination, do you also believe the incident warrants filing a police report? I have a built in skepticism that an incident that went largely unnoticed does. That skepticism then leads me to question the player's entire agenda.

 

[Czarry]

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Hawkieguy...you are an idiot, a moron, AND a maroon...! This incident is not about whether what McCloskey did warranted his termination....none of us really know what he really did...This is about how the incident and the subsequent firing was handled by the administration and specifically Marty Scarano....period....!!!!

 

[ClOuD 9]

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Some say that's the chance you take when you're a man coaching women... I disagree... if that happened on the men's bench, I trust same actions would have occurred. Only difference is the AD would be attending games....

From the men's thread a month ago:

Inappropriate physcial contact? How is that necessarily sexual? Grabbing someone by the shoulder and pulling them back isnt sexual. When Umile did that to one his players at a Vermont game years ago, that wasnt sexual contact.

Was Umile fired for that? If that is the threshold, than Umile should have the same punishment!

 

[OnMAA]

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I took exception to the DC 78 post as it obviously was filled with personal agenda and a complete lack of perspective and facts.

Okay, Hawkieguy, I have quoted every single post I have made on this thread here, with the exception of some press releases about our players in the Olympics and the Hockey East Weekly releases, Which one do you take exception to? I have endeavored to start, and keep this thread positive and about this team moving forward. Can you say the same? I don't think so. You've made five or six vitriolic posts since you appeared very suddenly today conveying nothing but negativity. Take all the exception to my posts that you want, but just know that I take exception to your attitude. I'm not hiding behind any anonymous screen name throwing out insults and accusations, so if you want to be taken seriously, get your facts straight and don't throw out ambiguous and erroneous accusations.

Wow DC.. you sure have a LOT of time on your hands...

While I have no comments on the incident itself. (Know nothing about it, and am not taking sides in that dispute), have to come to the defense of DC78-82 here. Many "Vets" on this board, including myself, have had the privilege to get to know and meet DC via this board and our connections in the sport. She is well respected by many due to her Positive Attitude, her unwavering support for the players in general, the sport in general and the UNH program in particular.

She is trying to support a position and does an eloquent job of "discussing" her position. There is no need for others to start the flame throwing. It takes away from having a credible discussion.

I would hate to see this to become another Brown Thread full of vim, vigor and nasty accusations and Flame Throwing. It is not good for the sport and not good for the UNH program. Please let history not repeat itself.

Just my opinion.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

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Hawkieguy...you are an idiot, a moron, AND a maroon...! This incident is not about whether what McCloskey did warranted his termination....none of us really know what he really did...This is about how the incident and the subsequent firing was handled by the administration and specifically Marty Scarano....period....!!!!

Ah no need to call names Czarry.. we agree to disagree on this one...
If it is not about this incident then what is it about...meal money?? The incident drew negative attention to what IS a sound program. That's a fact. According to the powers that be, the coach was inappropriate...How was he inappropriate?? Was the physicality involved appropriate?? Some out here say it was... My question to that is WHERE IS THE LINE, folks..Getting in a player's face is one thing and I just do not believe a coach is fired for reprimanding a player in a strong way. Was it more than that?? Was there more behind it? Were there other signs of a coach that had lost control?? is it anyone's business but the people involved??? I say no. Of course we've got people out here like DC who think if they wear their magic UNH hockey replica jersey they are owed an explanation but the reality is we are not. Can we speculate?? Sure..But I don't believe any organization would part ways with an employee after 20 plus years unless there was something significantly more than what is on the surface involved. I just don't.
Lastly, Czarry, I'm not sure how a firing should take place in this situation. Should they have stopped the season and had a goodbye parade?? Should they have held a Doc Rivers-like press conference where everyone lies about it and then fires off things to the press?? Obviously there was something that the administration felt needed to be handled immediately and they did so. Just don't see why that is so difficult to understand.

 

[DC78-82]

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Wow DC.. you sure have a LOT of time on your hands...Ironically you left out the prose you wrote which I felt compelled to respond to. How convenient. I will tackle this one though:
"It has to do with the defamation, willful or ignorant, of a person who's career and reputation has been unjustly tarnished. A powerful lesson for young adults here: choose your words carefully, as what you say can have long, and potentially devastating effects."
Unjustly tarnished... Who did this??? Who tarnished a reputation?? Who?? You??? Me??? Friends of BU hockey?? The Drama club??? Buggs Bunny????No... it was the actions of an individual who for the better part of 20 plus years OWNED his actions and quite honestly did a great job running a solid program. (Oh no, here comes that word....)BUT... when you are a coach you take the poop with the ice cream and unfortunately for all involved a lotta poop was stepped in. Look, it's obvious you live for supporting the program and I respect that.. Maybe a bit over the top??? Hmmm... maybe but I'm not one to really assess that...
We do agree on one thing you said.. "this is a powerful lesson for young adults"... It's obviously a lesson for everyone involved with the program. Your coach went too far and paid the appropriate consequence. Was it one incident or a cluster of situations leading up to this?? To me it doesn't matter..To some of you it obviously does. But I will end my rant with one question...Does it really make any sense that a coach would be terminated for just yelling, pointing a finger, and turning the player around on the bench??? Does it?? If it does, then the emperor really isn't wearing any clothes..

Well, first of all, I put those quotes together in about 30 seconds using the multi-quote tool this forum provides.
Next, it was absolutely predictable that you would attribute a post that I did not make to me. Check it out little hate monger. I did not post that letter. Furthermore, I did not even write it - not one word of it, nor did I submit it to any press whatsoever. I was one of a number of board members who agreed to put my signature on it. Jump to all the conclusions you want, because when you tire all that excercise maybe you will think before you post. Out of the blue you drag a conversation that is taking place elsewhere and tarnish this thread which we are trying to keep positive and about the team. The issue raised in that letter had nothing to do with why the firing took place, it was about the WAY it was handled. His reputation was tarnished by the completly misleading press release that the university "carefully crafted" to avoid any insunuation that it was sexual in nature. Well guess what - that was an epic failure. An "altercation on the bench" would have much more accurately described whatever event took place whether their were 2 witnesses or 200.

I always strive to be at least congenial with people even if we may have differences in opinion, but I will admit you are pushing me. Keep at it buddy. My boots are high enough for the ice cream covered poop you are slinging. Sit behind the shield of your anonymous screen name and keep spouting off I will stay over the top by believing in this team when you take your ill will and go home.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

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Great post NCAA...Again, I'm on the outside looking in and if there is a culture of uncertainty as to how the college handles their business it is something I know nothing of. From a mere fan's perspective but someone who knows a thing or two about college sports and the process of putting forth a credible program, I will say that terminating a coach mid season only occurs if there is significant damage.. The damage can be one incident (reference Eustachy) or it can be a number of incidents indicating the coach is losing control of the program. I cannot sit here and comment either way as I don't know. What I do know is it would have been easier for the college to part ways after the season if they could have.. Obviously they didn't which indicates something of significance had occurred. Was it this incident?? I think it played a major part of it...Can't tell you if it was all of it.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

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"I always strive to be at least congenial with people even if we may have differences in opinion, but I will admit you are pushing me."
Ah DC... I guess the next thing you will do is pull me down on the bench by my shoulder pads and scream at me until someone pulls you back....
Look DC, I respect your passion and support and if you're upset with the "HOW" I can't comment on that one..I don't know the history of how things were or were not handled. All I know is what happened with THIS incident and we will agree to disagree..