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2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
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I feel bad for the coach. Makes you wonder if coaching as a profession is worth it. Glad I went into CS.
Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
As these are misdemeanor charges, I don't believe the grand jury has a role. As to this being a "small" lawsuit, it has the potential to grow larger daily as the University heaps on more and more crap.
As these are misdemeanor charges, I don't believe the grand jury has a role. As to this being a "small" lawsuit, it has the potential to grow larger daily as the University heaps on more and more crap.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
Agreed. And of particular interest among all of the bits and pieces of the posts over the last couple of days, I note there is some indication the purported *victim* has now been made a scholarship player after two highly unremarkable (on ice anyway) "walk-on" seasons, scoring 3 goals and zero (0) assists combined in her first two years at UNH ... as a FORWARD.
By comparison, her on-ice production makes fellow UNH junior Maxim Gaudreault look like freakin' Guy LaFleur.
Having the *victim* returning to this year's team should do wonders for team chemistry ...
Agreed. And of particular interest among all of the bits and pieces of the posts over the last couple of days, I note there is some indication the purported *victim* has now been made a scholarship player after two highly unremarkable (on ice anyway) "walk-on" seasons, scoring 3 goals and zero (0) assists combined in her first two years at UNH ... as a FORWARD.
By comparison, her on-ice production makes fellow UNH junior Maxim Gaudreault look like freakin' Guy LaFleur.
Having the *victim* returning to this year's team should do wonders for team chemistry ...
Sounds like the school is covering their backside so they don't get sued.Agreed. And of particular interest among all of the bits and pieces of the posts over the last couple of days, I note there is some indication the purported *victim* has now been made a scholarship player after two highly unremarkable (on ice anyway) "walk-on" seasons, scoring 3 goals and zero (0) assists combined in her first two years at UNH ... as a FORWARD.
By comparison, her on-ice production makes fellow UNH junior Maxim Gaudreault look like freakin' Guy LaFleur.
Having the *victim* returning to this year's team should do wonders for team chemistry ...
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
It's pretty clear for a while now they (UNH) are going to get sued by someone here.
I guess they are choosing to have their former coach sue them instead.
It's pretty clear for a while now they (UNH) are going to get sued by someone here.
I guess they are choosing to have their former coach sue them instead.
Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
2014-15 roster is up:
http://www.unhwildcats.com/sports/wice/2014-15/roster
2014-15 roster is up:
http://www.unhwildcats.com/sports/wice/2014-15/roster
NCAA watcher
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Can anyone explain why women's weights are not listed? Implicit sexism? They're either athletes or they are not.
Same sexism and need to protect the ladies that led to the double standard incident (which would not,IMO, have been brought on similar facts if it had been a men's team, or a woman coach and woman player)
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
Hard to disagree with you on principle 'Watcher ... but I rarely check player weights on the Men's side, so I can't say in good conscience that I'd need to see the Women's weights listed either. And I agree 100% with the part in bold above.
Furthermore, don't the events involving Ray Rice and our very own assailant on the Men's side in recent days really kind of demonstrate what truly constitutes an "assault"?
Hard to disagree with you on principle 'Watcher ... but I rarely check player weights on the Men's side, so I can't say in good conscience that I'd need to see the Women's weights listed either. And I agree 100% with the part in bold above.
Furthermore, don't the events involving Ray Rice and our very own assailant on the Men's side in recent days really kind of demonstrate what truly constitutes an "assault"?
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rangersrule
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Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
Women's weights are indeed listed on any USA Hockey roster--whether it is U-18, U-22, or Olympic team...
Women's weights are indeed listed on any USA Hockey roster--whether it is U-18, U-22, or Olympic team...
Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
<pedant alert>
What Ray Rice did constitutes aggravated assault and battery, with an emphasis on the "battery" part. You do not have to make physical contact with someone to commit assault. This is another one of those places where the legal definition of a term is not necessarily the same as a the colloquial definition.
<pedant alert>
What Ray Rice did constitutes aggravated assault and battery, with an emphasis on the "battery" part. You do not have to make physical contact with someone to commit assault. This is another one of those places where the legal definition of a term is not necessarily the same as a the colloquial definition.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
Understood. I'm just trying to find the "silver lining" on the recent Ray Rice situation (and now with UNH's very own RR wanna-be), and juxtaposing the actions of RR and CDS against what got Coach McCloskey fired is as close as I'm getting so far.
<pedant alert>
Technically, I suppose you could charge someone with assault if they just yelled threatening things at you really loud. That's going to be a problem for a LOT of coaches going forward unless/until there is a sudden outbreak of reason. Not holding my breath ...
Understood. I'm just trying to find the "silver lining" on the recent Ray Rice situation (and now with UNH's very own RR wanna-be), and juxtaposing the actions of RR and CDS against what got Coach McCloskey fired is as close as I'm getting so far.
<pedant alert>
Technically, I suppose you could charge someone with assault if they just yelled threatening things at you really loud. That's going to be a problem for a LOT of coaches going forward unless/until there is a sudden outbreak of reason. Not holding my breath ...
Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
You are so correct. The inmates now have the keys.
You are so correct. The inmates now have the keys.
Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
Hannah Armstrong and Sara Carlson named Captains, Caroline Broderick and Heather Kashman named Assistant Captains...link here: http://unhwildcats.com/sports/wice/2014-15/releases/20140910cgygjk
Hannah Armstrong and Sara Carlson named Captains, Caroline Broderick and Heather Kashman named Assistant Captains...link here: http://unhwildcats.com/sports/wice/2014-15/releases/20140910cgygjk
Better? No one can be motivated at all if regularly yelled at...whether threateningly or not. After a while you just tune them out and all respect for the yeller and their constant tantrums is lost.
Unfortunately back in the day many so-called leaders subscribed to the "motivation by fear" model. It's long lost its effectiveness, if it ever existed at all. But then, I suspect few coaches have ever had much formal leadership training, or 360 feedback
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Amen
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
Depends on the player, the situation, and the "threat". If the "threat" is to curtail the player's ice time or even sit them in the stands if certain player behavior continues at the expense of the team, then I'm OK with that. Some players just don't respond to "pretty please with sugar on top" etc. I'd say that a player spouting profanities at the coach on her way off the ice probably falls into that category.
In the end, you gotta let coaches coach - short of egregious misconduct, no? This is a D-1 program, where the coaches get paid REAL money, top players play on scholarship, and getting results is part of the gig - for everyone. When Coach McCloskey's on-ice results began to slip, he became vulnerable ... and let's face it, if UNH was coming off a string of strong seasons, the absolute worst that happens to Coach would have been a game or two off, and more likely a private rebuke - IF that.
Ideally, you don't need to threaten anyone ... but any time it's a results-based situation, and someone isn't "with the program" and are off on their own *program* instead, then you gotta do something. And if by chance your team/program is short of players, and you have no choice but to play someone who is off on their own personal island - and knows you can't afford to sit them in the stands - that puts you in a potentially precarious position. Especially so if your superior happens to be suffering from a bad case of "buyer's remorse", and sees your professional demise as an opportunity to reboot the program. All hypothetically speaking, of course.
Depends on the player, the situation, and the "threat". If the "threat" is to curtail the player's ice time or even sit them in the stands if certain player behavior continues at the expense of the team, then I'm OK with that. Some players just don't respond to "pretty please with sugar on top" etc. I'd say that a player spouting profanities at the coach on her way off the ice probably falls into that category.
In the end, you gotta let coaches coach - short of egregious misconduct, no? This is a D-1 program, where the coaches get paid REAL money, top players play on scholarship, and getting results is part of the gig - for everyone. When Coach McCloskey's on-ice results began to slip, he became vulnerable ... and let's face it, if UNH was coming off a string of strong seasons, the absolute worst that happens to Coach would have been a game or two off, and more likely a private rebuke - IF that.
Ideally, you don't need to threaten anyone ... but any time it's a results-based situation, and someone isn't "with the program" and are off on their own *program* instead, then you gotta do something. And if by chance your team/program is short of players, and you have no choice but to play someone who is off on their own personal island - and knows you can't afford to sit them in the stands - that puts you in a potentially precarious position. Especially so if your superior happens to be suffering from a bad case of "buyer's remorse", and sees your professional demise as an opportunity to reboot the program. All hypothetically speaking, of course.
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So if I compared the rosters correctly, they managed to prevent any other defections beyond Crossley and Mams, while not losing any incoming recruits. Small miracles.
Doesn't look like Lund would be expected to be a scoring threat based on her two seasons at SLU. What is the scoop on Jensen?
So if I compared the rosters correctly, they managed to prevent any other defections beyond Crossley and Mams, while not losing any incoming recruits. Small miracles.
Doesn't look like Lund would be expected to be a scoring threat based on her two seasons at SLU. What is the scoop on Jensen?
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Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh
On the "Bowes goes to UNH" thread they indicate she was Catleton's leading scorer in her two seasons there. Let's hope her touch isn't lost in the jump to D1.
On the "Bowes goes to UNH" thread they indicate she was Catleton's leading scorer in her two seasons there. Let's hope her touch isn't lost in the jump to D1.