2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

[Hawkieguy44]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Ohh DC... OK...Let's take the gloves off and party a bit....
I love how your posts consistently say "we"..WE????still think putting that replica jersey on, closing your eyes, and clicking your heels will put you on the ice tomorrow??? I think "WE'VE" got a case of some obsessiveness goins on hea...I have this vivid picture of you sitting in the bowels of your basement wearing a custom made wildcat costume feverishly typing away...Tell me, every time you find someone like Czarry agreeing with you do you reach for your cowbell and wake up the cats upstairs???
Here's what I think...I think you're WAAAYYYY too interested in a lotta things about the hockey program. Yeppers.. In fact I dare say you've been told that in one form or another...But that said, I would strongly suggest to refrain from tossing barbs and sticking to facts. Facts, DC..not "speculation"...not heresay...FACTS...
The problem with this forum is someone comes on to the scene and sees something differently or challenges the masses and immediately the name calling begins. Agree or be gone....In the case of "DC", you've got some seemingly Wa HAY over the top to the point if I had a relative playing in either program I'd be concerned. I would be..
You see, I don't have horse in any race out here. I enjoy college sports...started to follow some hockey this year at a time when this program started to unravel. I respect passionate fans and the loyalty that comes with that but I find it incomprehensible (DC, that means I don't understand) that there cannot be conversation free of name calling when GOD FORBID there is disagreement. And the extremes people go to defend is Czarry.. oh, I mean CRAZY...
"He must have had a reason to do what he did"
"It wasn't that bad"
"It only happened once"
"It was deserved"
I mean read it.. listen to it...Nobody has said any of the people involved were bad people..Mistakes were made and in the real world people own mistakes, not try to cover them up or justify them. Whichever way this went down- either this being an incident unto itself or a culmination of a very difficult time in the program that came to a head.. Maybe it had to get bad before it can be better.
At the end of the day the people who lose are the students. This was THEIR season not yours. There is no "WE".. it was THEIRS and it's incredibly unfortunate to all of them that the incident occurred. Particularly to the player who was directly affected.
So DC, like you, I'm tired of responding to this crap. Want to believe the emperor wore no clothes, give him your mascot suit. But when you, Czarry, and the rest of your minions go on the attack, I strongly encourage you to consider that maybe, just maybe, life as you thought it was, was not.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

I'd rather watch the game over ten more times than read another hawkieguy post. Even if he learned to quote, so that which is being quoted doesn't string right into the response, and even if he could construct a cohesive, intelligent sentence, and even if whatever point he is trying to make was comprehensible. All I get is that he is trying to insult anyone who has a differing opinion.

Now this is the first thing we all will agree with... I'm quite confident DC watches games over and over and over and over and over again. Not much else to do in that basement I guess.

 

[joehockey]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Ohh DC... OK...Let's take the gloves off and party a bit....
I love how your posts consistently say "we"..WE????still think putting that replica jersey on, closing your eyes, and clicking your heels will put you on the ice tomorrow??? I think "WE'VE" got a case of some obsessiveness goins on hea...I have this vivid picture of you sitting in the bowels of your basement wearing a custom made wildcat costume feverishly typing away...Tell me, every time you find someone like Czarry agreeing with you do you reach for your cowbell and wake up the cats upstairs???
Here's what I think...I think you're WAAAYYYY too interested in a lotta things about the hockey program. Yeppers.. In fact I dare say you've been told that in one form or another...But that said, I would strongly suggest to refrain from tossing barbs and sticking to facts. Facts, DC..not "speculation"...not heresay...FACTS...
The problem with this forum is someone comes on to the scene and sees something differently or challenges the masses and immediately the name calling begins. Agree or be gone....In the case of "DC", you've got some seemingly Wa HAY over the top to the point if I had a relative playing in either program I'd be concerned. I would be..
You see, I don't have horse in any race out here. I enjoy college sports...started to follow some hockey this year at a time when this program started to unravel. I respect passionate fans and the loyalty that comes with that but I find it incomprehensible (DC, that means I don't understand) that there cannot be conversation free of name calling when GOD FORBID there is disagreement. And the extremes people go to defend is Czarry.. oh, I mean CRAZY...
"He must have had a reason to do what he did"
"It wasn't that bad"
"It only happened once"
"It was deserved"
I mean read it.. listen to it...Nobody has said any of the people involved were bad people..Mistakes were made and in the real world people own mistakes, not try to cover them up or justify them. Whichever way this went down- either this being an incident unto itself or a culmination of a very difficult time in the program that came to a head.. Maybe it had to get bad before it can be better.
At the end of the day the people who lose are the students. This was THEIR season not yours. There is no "WE".. it was THEIRS and it's incredibly unfortunate to all of them that the incident occurred. Particularly to the player who was directly affected.
So DC, like you, I'm tired of responding to this crap. Want to believe the emperor wore no clothes, give him your mascot suit. But when you, Czarry, and the rest of your minions go on the attack, I strongly encourage you to consider that maybe, just maybe, life as you thought it was, was not.

Reading your posts from a distance makes me think you are the wronged players parent now involved in the court system? You are insulting to some really loyal fans of UNH (I am not connected with UNH but have met much of this group around Hockey East games) and your inability to let it go can only be that born of a hockey parent. Go back to your day job whatever it is. Same could be said for your perceptions are not shared by many and may only be your personal view. Good luck in the resolution of your angst.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Um, No, sorry Joe but I am not a parent of an involved player now or ever and do not have a connection to the program or school. I am new to college hockey but became quite interested this winter after attending some games. Just a fan with different perspective-something that obviously is threatening to the minions.

 

[wwhyte]

Um, No, sorry Joe but I am not a parent of an involved player now or ever and do not have a connection to the program or school. I am new to college hockey but became quite interested this winter after attending some games. Just a fan with different perspective-something that obviously is threatening to the minions.

I don't have a problem with your perspective, but maybe you could work on your tone.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

I don't have a problem with your perspective, but maybe you could work on your tone.

Agreed Wwhyte...point taken.

 

[ClOuD 9]

Multiple paragraphs throwing personal insults at DC followed by

I find it incomprehensible (DC, that means I don't understand) that there cannot be conversation free of name calling when GOD FORBID there is disagreement.

Is this real life?!

 

[puckskillz]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Heading into the final weekend, UNH could finish anywhere from 5th to 8th. Is there an opponent from the top half that fans see as being a better matchup stylistically?

This team is ready to breakout. Getting better every week but not getting any favorable bounces. I don't think they have a preference between BC or BU. They have played both teams well and are not intimidated by either of them and for sure wouldn't mind another game with BC. They need to avoid turnovers and when they do cough it up, they need strong goaltending. They have been controlling the offensive play but haven't been able to turn that zone time into goals. Need some rebounds, deflections, anything to bounce their way this weekend and pick up momentum. If they do, they will need to be taken seriously in the first round. Good luck this weekend CATS!!

 

[Hux]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Ohh DC... OK...Let's take the gloves off and party a bit....
I love how your posts consistently say "we"..WE????still think putting that replica jersey on, closing your eyes, and clicking your heels will put you on the ice tomorrow??? I think "WE'VE" got a case of some obsessiveness goins on hea...I have this vivid picture of you sitting in the bowels of your basement wearing a custom made wildcat costume feverishly typing away...Tell me, every time you find someone like Czarry agreeing with you do you reach for your cowbell and wake up the cats upstairs???
Here's what I think...I think you're WAAAYYYY too interested in a lotta things about the hockey program. Yeppers.. In fact I dare say you've been told that in one form or another...But that said, I would strongly suggest to refrain from tossing barbs and sticking to facts. Facts, DC..not "speculation"...not heresay...FACTS...
The problem with this forum is someone comes on to the scene and sees something differently or challenges the masses and immediately the name calling begins. Agree or be gone....In the case of "DC", you've got some seemingly Wa HAY over the top to the point if I had a relative playing in either program I'd be concerned. I would be..
You see, I don't have horse in any race out here. I enjoy college sports...started to follow some hockey this year at a time when this program started to unravel. I respect passionate fans and the loyalty that comes with that but I find it incomprehensible (DC, that means I don't understand) that there cannot be conversation free of name calling when GOD FORBID there is disagreement. And the extremes people go to defend is Czarry.. oh, I mean CRAZY...
"He must have had a reason to do what he did"
"It wasn't that bad"
"It only happened once"
"It was deserved"
I mean read it.. listen to it...Nobody has said any of the people involved were bad people..Mistakes were made and in the real world people own mistakes, not try to cover them up or justify them. Whichever way this went down- either this being an incident unto itself or a culmination of a very difficult time in the program that came to a head.. Maybe it had to get bad before it can be better.
At the end of the day the people who lose are the students. This was THEIR season not yours. There is no "WE".. it was THEIRS and it's incredibly unfortunate to all of them that the incident occurred. Particularly to the player who was directly affected.
So DC, like you, I'm tired of responding to this crap. Want to believe the emperor wore no clothes, give him your mascot suit. But when you, Czarry, and the rest of your minions go on the attack, I strongly encourage you to consider that maybe, just maybe, life as you thought it was, was not.

I find it rather comical that when looking over the posts it is you sir who is throwing barbs. It is you who seems to have trouble differentiating between fact and fiction.

The “We” that seems to bother you, someone who has only recently arrived on the scene, is in FACT something she and other supporters of the program are very much entitled to use.

It matters not whether they wear a replica or authentic jersey, a tattered hoodie, wave a flag, or rattle a cowbell. The “we” they use comes from having spent considerable time and money working behind the scenes for the benefit of the program as a whole, and the players themselves.

DC in particular has invested 36 years of blood, sweat, financial resources, and countless hours as a player, fan and volunteer on behalf of the University and UNH women’s hockey. The efforts of DC, and a small cadre of like-minded individuals, are responsible for ensuring there is video equipment, and a new laptop for the assistant coach when hers goes south, or a new portable skate sharpener when it gives up the ghost.

The funds raised by interacting with fans and creating new members of the Friends of Women’s Hockey, or by walking up and down the stairs and rows of the Whitt selling raffle and 50/50 tickets, enable players to take summer classes or coaches to go on recruiting trips when the budget has been exhausted. Or fund the team’s after-game meals when the legislature cuts funding to the athletic department, which then tightens the purse strings on those expenditures.

Flowers for the end of season banquet are obtained through the largess of a proud supporter. Refreshments and meals at post game receptions, and pre-trip bagels and snacks come out of the pocket and ovens of people who have been involved with this program for decades.

They are the band of fans that travelled to away games and for many seasons outnumbered the home team's fans.

Most importantly these people are there when the players need someone to talk to on subjects ranging from time management to eating disorders, from personal matters to placement for internships. They are there to offer counsel, or give a pep talk, to individual, or team.

So before you go casting aspersions and denigrating the likes of DC you would do well to take measure of what has just been said and realize they are very much the we of UNH women’s hockey.

 

[zoofer]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Yea! Thanks Hux.....
As for what puckskillz posted, we saw pretty much that scenario in today's game vs Northeastern...while we did get some bounces today, we also created some of the goals with great team play....Giffords pass to Hitchie which she tipped upper and Arielle's soft pass to Morky who smartly drove the net, stick down....all simple hockey principles done under stressful times. Obviously the in-zone turnovers haven't been cured yet as they again proved costly....so tomorrow as they skate again, maybe we'll tighten up some of the mistakes yet keep driving the net and score 4 again....,
As you're finding out HG44, be it on ice or off, don't mess with a true Wildcat pride!!

 

[sonar]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

I find it rather comical that when looking over the posts it is you sir who is throwing barbs. It is you who seems to have trouble differentiating between fact and fiction.

The “We” that seems to bother you, someone who has only recently arrived on the scene, is in FACT something she and other supporters of the program are very much entitled to use.

It matters not whether they wear a replica or authentic jersey, a tattered hoodie, wave a flag, or rattle a cowbell. The “we” they use comes from having spent considerable time and money working behind the scenes for the benefit of the program as a whole, and the players themselves.

DC in particular has invested 36 years of blood, sweat, financial resources, and countless hours as a player, fan and volunteer on behalf of the University and UNH women’s hockey. The efforts of DC, and a small cadre of like-minded individuals, are responsible for ensuring there is video equipment, and a new laptop for the assistant coach when hers goes south, or a new portable skate sharpener when it gives up the ghost.

The funds raised by interacting with fans and creating new members of the Friends of Women’s Hockey, or by walking up and down the stairs and rows of the Whitt selling raffle and 50/50 tickets, enable players to take summer classes or coaches to go on recruiting trips when the budget has been exhausted. Or fund the team’s after-game meals when the legislature cuts funding to the athletic department, which then tightens the purse strings on those expenditures.

Flowers for the end of season banquet are obtained through the largess of a proud supporter. Refreshments and meals at post game receptions, and pre-trip bagels and snacks come out of the pocket and ovens of people who have been involved with this program for decades.

They are the band of fans that travelled to away games and for many seasons outnumbered the home team's fans.

Most importantly these people are there when the players need someone to talk to on subjects ranging from time management to eating disorders, from personal matters to placement for internships. They are there to offer counsel, or give a pep talk, to individual, or team.

So before you go casting aspersions and denigrating the likes of DC you would do well to take measure of what has just been said and realize they are very much the we of UNH women’s hockey.

To question whether DC has earned the right to utilize "we" when referencing UNH women's hockey is an indication of that questioner's profound lack of credibility.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Ah the minions abound... let's be clear, Hux, my posts are responses to barbs and the absurd justification of a coach losing his composure to the point it caused termination. You and the rest of your kin can thump your chests while the rest of the league, and country for that matter, laugh at your lack of perspective on right and wrong. When the better players are playing AGAINST your program in the future, you can continue to rattle dem cowbells and look back on those good ol' days with DC leading the charge. All I can say is I wouldn't want DC flying my plane. Nuff Said.

 

[Czarry]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Hawkieguy, once again, is an idiot, a moron and a maroon...

 

[Hawkieguy44]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Yeah, Czarry.. but I've got a life.. something obviously you strive to have. It's truly interesting.. this "fan faithful" of minions quickly resort to name calling when they have no substance at all to back up their opinions. Spout about how "it's ok to physically engage student athletes, How it was "wrong" for ANYONE to file a complaint for it would "hurt them more then it would hurt anyone else", how "the player deserved it"... I can go on and on because this has been written by Czarry, DC, and the rest of the faithful who believe the emperor looked fine without clothing.
My suggestion?? If you're going to take off the gloves, at least come to the discussion with SOME substance. Name calling is merely an attempt to mask the fact you have none.

 

[Czarry]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Hawkieguy is an idiot, a moron, and a maroon..I admit, ..that is the only thing I Do know for sure...

 

[KTDC]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

See, I don't think Hawkieguy has posted with substance. I think he expects us to assume facts not in evidence. The original press release by the administration makes it hard for me to trust them.

I feel bad for what UNH players and program are going through, but I really hope the mean spirited Hawkieguy and his unpleasant attitude are not holding the more accurate "truth".

 

[PuckRush]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Hawkieguy:

You ask in most of your posts, "At what point is the line crossed?". And then, in some of your posts, you answer it for yourself by saying that the coach crossed the line by his actions.

Well, we all agree with the question. It's exactly the issue at hand. So maybe stop asking the obvious?

We all don't agree with the answer, and that's what the debate is about.

So I will answer your question from my perspective. I've been on the bench thousands of times - maybe you have been too. This is an intense game with 20-25 people crammed into a small, narrow area. This area has a LOT going on during a game. Players jumping over the boards, on and off the bench. Tactics and situations being coached very quickly, sometimes being screamed over the sounds of music and crowds. Hydration, injuries and equipment being attended to, very quickly. Fresh lines being readied to hit the ice. Instructions being yelled to players on the ice. Referees being challenged. It feels like bodies, in various stages of exhaustion, are everywhere. It really shouldn't be called a bench, it should be called a foxhole. There's little room to move and less room to think. It's quite the unique athletic experience.

On top of all of that, you can't name another sport where all the players backs are to the coach, and the coach is essentially stuck in one place, not able to move up and down the bench or the sideline. In that environment, a good coach needs to get a players attention by some means other than "hey, come here"... because that doesn't work. Helmet tapping, shoulder pad holding, jersey grabbing, a loud voice or a long stare, are all effective means of getting a player's attention so that player knows who's being talked to. As an example, when I've noticed my daughters being talked to animatedly by a coach on the bench, I've asked post-game what the coach said to them, and they'll sometimes tell me things like "I'm not sure he was talking to me", or "I could barely hear him". Wow... it really is a foxhole.

In my opinion, and in this situation, it's OK for an ice hockey coach to grab a player's jersey if the coach needs to get the players attention to tell that player something critical. In the situation of a player mutiny (which is essentially what happened here), a "critical message" is required. If one of my daughters mouthed off to a coach on the bench during a game, and then turned their back to the coach, that is completely unacceptable and needs to be corrected immediately. So, I'm fine with coach grabbing her jersey so she can't escape and act like nothing happened. I'm fine with coach yelling at her in her face. I'm fine with coach kicking her off the bench (the latter is a really tough one if you need that player on the ice, trust me!).

Any physicality beyond that, and a coach has crossed the line. So there you go Hawkieguy, the answer to your question. It's acceptable for the coach to grab the UNH player's jersey and yell at her.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Great post PuckRush. Whether we agree or disagree it's written with significant substance and perspective. In my opinion the coach crossed this line. Where the perspective is blurred, and in fairness to him, I believe it had been crossed before but there was nothing definitive in nature done about it. This particular incident is seemingly deeper then just a jersey pull. In my opinion he had lost this team on a number of levels.. they were consistently short handed (we're talking about a full scholarship program short handed?????) and the general tone was negative. Again, my opinion. I think there were players who had tuned him out. Maybe this was a player who had tuned him out and he reacted strongly. Whatever the case is, and only those inside the locker room really know the truth, from the outside this was seemingly not the first incident of its kind.
As for your distrust of the process and administration I cannot comment on this.. I don't know the program or the history enough to comment on how things are usually done. Maybe you have information on this that many of us on the outside do not. What I am quite clear about is in my opinion the program was fragile and there were issues.. NOT unlike many other programs, but there were issues. My guess is this was probably the last straw of a chain of events nobody outside the program really knew details about. It's happened before... Saw it in Indiana with Bob Knight, of course Penn State comes to mind...
Like you I have been in many locker rooms and played/coached in games that meant something. A program is more than what goes on the ice. It's tradition, it's culture, it's expectations. I think the culture was changing or had changed and it got away from the coach a bit...I'm sure he was frustrated... and maybe, just maybe, snapped.
Again, I respect your post PuckRush and appreciate your perspective. Such a shame others out here have to take their ball and run home.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Again, KTDC, I have no history with the administration so as for trust and/or distrust I cannot react. Not trying to be mean spirited.. just reacting to posters who are aggressive themselves.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

Re: 2014 UNH Wildcats: Ending Strong and Starting Fresh

Ah Czarry, yet another great prose. glad to see you got one three syllable word in this time. You bring as much substance to a conversation that a gnat would.