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2014 Four Nations Cup

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bluffrinkrat said:
I had decided this season to make it my job to point out the frequent errors the Pioneer Press makes in their inept coverage of Gopher women's hockey. So I was all set to indignantly point out that in today's sport section they mentioned Monique Lamoureux, but not Gigi Marvin as being a member of the team. What a ridiculous omission, I thought. But caution being wise I looked up the roster on the internet and low and behold no Gigi listed! As the Brits used to sing a couple of centuries ago, is the world turned upside down? Is the paper correct and the Gopher women's hockey website wrong concerning Gigi's status with the US Four Nations team? Say it isn't so!
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I could be mistaken, but thought Gigi was initially on the roster then later removed...for reasons unknown to me. Both the PP and Gophersports may have been accurate within the time frames. May have been, that is.

Whatever the case...I'd much rather see Gigi present on the US blueline.

...and Anne Schleper, did I miss a retirement announcement?
 
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Columbo I'm not, but I did have a similar 40 year old trench coat that my wife eventually convinced me to toss. I should have mentioned in my prior post that it was in yesterday's Gopher website article about Mira being on Finland's roster that Gigi was still included as one of the five former or current Gophers on the US team. So it's not a timing issue. I don't have a problem with the Gopher website not including Monique as a former Gopher on the team. It was just kind of odd that the paper did. Maybe they are trying to be more accurate in their coverage which would be a good thing. They even had the venue correct this time. Kamloops, BC.
 
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bluffrinkrat said:
I should have mentioned in my prior post that it was in yesterday's Gopher website article about Mira being on Finland's roster that Gigi was still included as one of the five former or current Gophers on the US team. So it's not a timing issue.
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The U of M SID gets a release from USA Hockey with the initial roster and builds her content. USA hockey likely didn't send out a follow-up release when Gigi was replaced, so it is easy enough to assume that Gigi is still a go when noting Mira. Not exactly timing related, but definitely related to changing information.
 
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Also I assume Noora Raty is not playing because of men's pro team obligations?
 
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bluffrinkrat said:
I don't have a problem with the Gopher website not including Monique as a former Gopher on the team. It was just kind of odd that the paper did.
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I doubt they even know who Monique is,
newspapers and TV today often take the PR of others as fact and don't bother to check for accuracy or if it is up to date
newspapers are under such economic woes that any corner they can cut, the longer they hold off bankruptcy
 
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My guess is that the paper did not discover that Gigi Marvin is not on the team (if that's the case) through Woodword/Bernstein type investigative journalism. It was probably just dumb luck that they did not include her in the article and it turned out to be correct (maybe). Kind of like that broken clock saying. I was just surprised that the paper was correct and the Gopher website (for whatever reason) wrong (maybe) concerning Gigi Marvin.
 
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NUWH DogHouse said:
Didn't she retire from national team duties rather publicly after the Olympics?
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Actually, she threatened to retire... period. But then she signed on with the men's team and said that she was highly unlikely play with the women's national team because of the conflicting schedules.
 
Even without Gigi that is one incredibly potent US roster. I think that this event is going to be the turning point for a long period of US dominance. Canada is just not that deep.
 
Cali said:
Even without Gigi that is one incredibly potent US roster. I think that this event is going to be the turning point for a long period of US dominance. Canada is just not that deep.
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Deep matters not...they are on home ice....losing is not an option.
 
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Cali said:
I think that this event is going to be the turning point for a long period of US dominance.
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Unless a long period is defined as a week or so, I'm not buying it. :(
 
ARM said:
Unless a long period is defined as a week or so, I'm not buying it. :(
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I just think that the U.S. holds a distinct advantage in the 18 - 24 age bracket and that will carry them for a while. As much as Canada is criticized for hanging on to the veterans, they have been the backbone for the last 6-8 years. That can't last. The young guns on U.S are just too strong in my opinion
 
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D2D said:
ARM, just my opinion, but I really think it goes beyond that. Realistically, even for most true hockey fans both here in North America and overseas, whichever country wins the 4 Nations or Meco Cup (or whatever other cup or title, other than the Olympics) is not that big of deal (try to find anything about it in most major newspapers!).

But, if current college players were to be excluded from these mid-season tournaments, it would give others an opportunity to showcase their talents, while at the same time give countries (other than the U.S and Canada) more opportunity and a better path to compete on the world stage. Meanwhile, women's college hockey here in the U.S. could continue without interruption of their seasons on a more equal footing for all concerned.

So I ask: What are the downsides if this approach were to be adopted?
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IMO, this discussion fits better here than in "Scores and Result."

The downside for the college players is that then they have no opportunity to compete for these roster spots. You could make it so they could opt out without repercussions from their national associations, but could they trust that would really be the case? Canada has tended to be rather punitive in the past and unlikey to forgive and forget should any player choose her university over her country.

What incentive does Canada, for example, have to make your plan work? They don't care if U.S. colleges are impacted and would be happier if their top players stayed home and played for CIS teams. I'd expect more of USA Hockey, but it seems that Reagan Carey and the powers that be are rather short-sighted in this, asking their kids to sacrifice meaningful college games for practice sessions for a tournament that nobody cares about after the fact. Historically, there hasn't been any advantage to more time for centralization if it means losing the chance to develop on NCAA teams. The U.S. centralized for two years leading up to the 2002 Olympics, but didn't win gold in either the 2001 Worlds or the 2002 Games, even though Canada was together for only one year. Finland and Sweden let their NCAA students play all weekend, but Carey can't? Disappointing, to say the least.
 
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