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2014 Commitments

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PSUChamps2001 said:
No....Oswego started the trend....the others followed...
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well i think eau-claire nailed it when they won the big one with something like 9 D1 guys???.......but D1 guys dont gaurantee anything,some produce and others dont live up to the D1 hype...edit...7 D1 guys and 2 D3 transfers
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
Looks like Oswego-West picked up some good recrtuits :rolleyes:
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looks nice, but as you said about AIC which I agree, here you also have Army,alabama - huntsville, alaska, not top shelf D1........but still looks good on paper,wait til they get on the ice.........Also add these guys to the team they had last yr with few losses to graduation and these guys LOOK tuff............
 
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bakdraft21 said:
looks nice, but as you said about AIC which I agree, here you also have Army,alabama - huntsville, alaska, not top shelf D1........but still looks good on paper,wait til they get on the ice.........Also add these guys to the team they had last yr with few losses to graduation and these guys LOOK tuff............
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Correct, there isn't much difference between them and DIII teams. I just hate the practice when 4 of your 6 incoming players are transfers. Whatever happened to actually going out, finding a player, bringing him in, teaching and coaching him to be a college hockey player for 4 years. Instead we would rather let someone else do the work, and then when they don't work out in DI we open our doors and allow them in. I don't like it, never have and never will. "Coaching" has really taken a new turn. I remember those coaches who would take a little known Junior players and turn them into All-Americans. Now coaches would rather grab the DI player. Remember the days when a DIII team got a DI transfer, it was big news. Now its not if, but how many transfers are coming in. And in order to be competitive, teams feel they need to do this now. I wonder how many would jump ship if they had the DI transfer rules apply to transferring down? It would be tragic if coaches actually had to go out, find, and then coach those "diamonds in the rough". Instead we just wait until a DI player gets cut and or has issues at his DI school and his buddy says "hey come play DIII with me".
 
I respectfully disagree. Don't know about other schools, but I asked the coaches at UWEC about their transfers some time ago and they said for the most part the DI players that have transferred in were former recruits that achieved their goal of going Division I and hence didn't go to UWEC. So it's not like they weren't identified by the coaching staff as much as the recruit achieved their goal / dream. Now once they got where they were going for whatever reason it didn't work out. I think it's great that these players are able to transfer to DIII schools and continue playing hockey at an extremely high level. It's good for Division III hockey, and rewards the coaches who recruit those players that are border line Division I. I think that the coaches that land these kids did do the work, but lost out to a Division I institution and reap the reward when it doesn't work out for the recruit. I think it demonstrates the coaching staffs that are going all out in their recruiting efforts and their programs reap the benefits of the late additions to their respective program. I am guessing that every coach would have liked to have had each transfer come in as a freshman, but have become to love the expression better late than never.


PSUChamps2001 said:
Correct, there isn't much difference between them and DIII teams. I just hate the practice when 4 of your 6 incoming players are transfers. Whatever happened to actually going out, finding a player, bringing him in, teaching and coaching him to be a college hockey player for 4 years. Instead we would rather let someone else do the work, and then when they don't work out in DI we open our doors and allow them in. I don't like it, never have and never will. "Coaching" has really taken a new turn. I remember those coaches who would take a little known Junior players and turn them into All-Americans. Now coaches would rather grab the DI player. Remember the days when a DIII team got a DI transfer, it was big news. Now its not if, but how many transfers are coming in. And in order to be competitive, teams feel they need to do this now. I wonder how many would jump ship if they had the DI transfer rules apply to transferring down? It would be tragic if coaches actually had to go out, find, and then coach those "diamonds in the rough". Instead we just wait until a DI player gets cut and or has issues at his DI school and his buddy says "hey come play DIII with me".
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Blugold Hockey said:
I respectfully disagree. Don't know about other schools, but I asked the coaches at UWEC about their transfers some time ago and they said for the most part the DI players that have transferred in were former recruits that achieved their goal of going Division I and hence didn't go to UWEC. So it's not like they weren't identified by the coaching staff as much as the recruit achieved their goal / dream. Now once they got where they were going for whatever reason it didn't work out. I think it's great that these players are able to transfer to DIII schools and continue playing hockey at an extremely high level. It's good for Division III hockey, and rewards the coaches who recruit those players that are border line Division I. I think that the coaches that land these kids did do the work, but lost out to a Division I institution and reap the reward when it doesn't work out for the recruit. I think it demonstrates the coaching staffs that are going all out in their recruiting efforts and their programs reap the benefits of the late additions to their respective program. I am guessing that every coach would have liked to have had each transfer come in as a freshman, but have become to love the expression better late than never.
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like I said....Old school vs. New School...and if you're not apart of the new trend you're probably on the outside looking in.
 
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both of the above points are valid,I think that the fact is that there are soooooooo many D1 teams today that are boarder line D3 teams.Many of these players have been recruited by both D1 and D3,Ill use Shaun Hushlof for Oswego last yr as a example, he was going to Sacret Heart then ended up at Oz,had a good frshmn yr but who knows how good he would have done at S,H.,there were also several frshmn at Oswego that had "more productive "seasons that him, were they recruited by D1/?, who knows.When i played in the mid/late 80's we had jr college transfers, a few from D1 programs that went under and 1 from D1,the latter was a exception for sure in those times.....I do know that the D1 player has to get in touch with the coach of the D3 school before anything can go down,not the other way around,by the rules of course, and we all play by the rules:eek:
 
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bakdraft21 said:
both of the above points are valid,I think that the fact is that there are soooooooo many D1 teams today that are boarder line D3 teams.Many of these players have been recruited by both D1 and D3,Ill use Shaun Hushlof for Oswego last yr as a example, he was going to Sacret Heart then ended up at Oz,had a good frshmn yr but who knows how good he would have done at S,H.,there were also several frshmn at Oswego that had "more productive "seasons that him, were they recruited by D1/?, who knows.When i played in the mid/late 80's we had jr college transfers, a few from D1 programs that went under and 1 from D1,the latter was a exception for sure in those times.....I do know that the D1 player has to get in touch with the coach of the D3 school before anything can go down,not the other way around,by the rules of course, and we all play by the rules:eek:
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Don't get me wrong, Im not saying there is anything illegal going on, and frankly I could give a rats *** if a coach contacts a player, one of the dumbest rules around. But especially with college hockey and the Jr system, just about everyone on a teams knows a few people on a DI team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see DI Player "x" struggling to make the day to day line up, academic issues, and or off ice issues by DIII Player "Y" and he says , Hey bud **** this DI thing, come play meaningful games with me in DIII.

For whatever reason, Oswego started a trend a good 10 or so years ago with bringing in DI transfers and DIII transfers at a much higher rate then we had seen. Fast forward to 2014-2015 and you have UST bringing in 67% of their new recruits being DI transfers. Previously recruited or not, when nearly 70% of your incoming class are DI transfers, I'm not sure if that's "good" for DIII hockey. No longer do coaches have to hit up the Junior rinks hours upon hours and cross their fingers that the Jr player will transition into a college hockey player. They simply pick up those players on the low end DI teams who've shown what they can do in the college ranks. While you are correct that the "DI" tag does not always compute to high stats in DIII, however the majority of the time DI transfers are high impact players. If I get time I will do up a list and I have a feeling more time than not those transfers are impact players....just a hunch.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
Don't get me wrong, Im not saying there is anything illegal going on, and frankly I could give a rats *** if a coach contacts a player, one of the dumbest rules around. But especially with college hockey and the Jr system, just about everyone on a teams knows a few people on a DI team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see DI Player "x" struggling to make the day to day line up, academic issues, and or off ice issues by DIII Player "Y" and he says , Hey bud **** this DI thing, come play meaningful games with me in DIII.

For whatever reason, Oswego started a trend a good 10 or so years ago with bringing in DI transfers and DIII transfers at a much higher rate then we had seen. Fast forward to 2014-2015 and you have UST bringing in 67% of their new recruits being DI transfers. Previously recruited or not, when nearly 70% of your incoming class are DI transfers, I'm not sure if that's "good" for DIII hockey. No longer do coaches have to hit up the Junior rinks hours upon hours and cross their fingers that the Jr player will transition into a college hockey player. They simply pick up those players on the low end DI teams who've shown what they can do in the college ranks. While you are correct that the "DI" tag does not always compute to high stats in DIII, however the majority of the time DI transfers are high impact players. If I get time I will do up a list and I have a feeling more time than not those transfers are impact players....just a hunch.
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I think with the transfer player the coach has some good info on the recruit, as he has played in the college ranks,as we know, jr/ .prep#'s dont translate all the time, so its a more educated guess, I guess....and yes I am sure the D1 transfer player has a impact on the team more than not.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
For whatever reason, Oswego started a trend a good 10 or so years ago with bringing in DI transfers and DIII transfers at a much higher rate then we had seen.
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The first wave of D1 interlopers I recall was when Fredonia some 20+ years brought in a bunch of D1 transfers when a midwest D1 program folded, and FSU was extremely competitive for 2 years. Don will remember much more about that than I.

Edit: Channeling my best Norm ... I found an old FSU media guide. They went 49-6-8 during 93/94 - 94/95 and finished 3rd and 2nd in the nation those two years. So the precedent of using top tier transfers to achieve immediate success is a decades old proven strategy.
 
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elbojpb said:
The first wave of D1 interlopers I recall was when Fredonia some 20+ years brought in a bunch of D1 transfers when a midwest D1 program folded, and FSU was extremely competitive for 2 years. Don will remember much more about that than I.
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Must've been Kent St. or UIC. I think Kent folded in '94, and I think UIC's last season was '95-'96.
 
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Looks like Genny has boarded and cranked up the D1 transfer train.....3 Forwards as/there hockey home page...Trevor Hills from St lawrence...Burns from Army and Jason Stephanik who went to Quinnipiac but DNP due to off ice issues,played in the USHL...this adds to the other 3 D1 trasfers they have on the roster...all aboard:eek:
 
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