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2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

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Re: 2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

I know J.D. stands for "Just Dumb" but sit the **** down.

Doesn't matter if you make fun of fox news. you know they lie. yet you still watch them. and even worse, you still believe them.

And you mad at Manti Teo? okay....

Yes, I know they lie (so I don't believe them). Just like other news stations. And I don't watch Fox News to begin with. I do, however, know the reputation it has.
 
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A guy who has a scouting service for NFL teams was on the local radio yesterday. He said they (his service) knew the girlfriend was fake. His speculation was that the player's "family adviser" (read also "agent") may have created the persona of the girlfriend to keep the player's name in the news.

That too (unfortunately) gets filed under "not impossible."
 
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The reason it bothers me is because of all the publicity/condolences, etc. he got out of it--and even after he knew it was a hoax yet continued to advance the lie. So, yes, he has been proven to be a liar and a fraud. I'm not saying he should be thrown in jail, ... or that he can't recover from this. But at the same time, I was riled up by some people who couldn't/wouldn't/didn't/didn't want to admit that [he] clearly lied and at the very least furthered the hoax.

[He] is getting what he deserves now, so he'll have to deal with that. Life goes on, but make no mistake, there is no debate here.
Wait, are we talking about T'eo or Armstrong here? I lose track... :)
 
Re: 2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

The reason it bothers me is because of all the publicity/condolences, etc. he got out of it--and even after he knew it was a hoax yet continued to advance the lie. So, yes, he has been proven to be a liar and a fraud. I'm not saying he should be thrown in jail, or that nobody should draft him or that he can't recover from this. But at the same time, I was riled up by some people who couldn't/wouldn't/didn't/didn't want to admit that Te'o clearly lied and at the very least furthered the hoax.

Te'o is getting what he deserves now, so he'll have to deal with that. Life goes on, but make no mistake, there is no debate here.

Simple question- what do you think SHOULD happen to Te'o?
 
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I guess I can just add the meat of the article:

Manti Te'o has said he was a victim of a cruel hoax, so many are wondering why he continued to perpetuate the lie that his girlfriend had died after he found out that it was all a scam.

Multiple media outlets have found numerous instances of the Notre Dame linebacker talking about Lennay Kekua as if she had existed after Dec. 6, the date that he and the university say he found out that the girl that he thought he was having a relationship with and who died of leukemia was made up.

At the Heisman Trophy presentation Dec. 8 in New York, ESPN's Chris Fowler asked Te'o what moment of his very public story of tragedy he would remember.

"I think I'll never forget the time when I found out that, you know, my girlfriend passed away and the first person to run to my aid was my defensive coordinator, Coach [Bob] Diaco, and you know he said something very profound to me," Te'o said. "He said, 'This is where your faith is tested.' Right after that, I ran into the players' lounge and I got on the phone with my parents -- and I opened my eyes and my head coach was sitting right there. And so, you know, there are a hundred-plus people on our team and the defensive coordinator and our head coach took time to just go get one [of those players]. You know I think that was the most meaningful to me."

Te'o also said on ESPN Radio the same day that he hoped his grandmother, who died Sept. 12, and his girlfriend, who was reported to have died on the same day, were proud of him.

The Associated Press turned up two more instances during that gap between Dec. 6 and Dec. 26, the date when Te'o told Notre Dame that he knew of the hoax, when the football star mentioned Kekua in public.

During another interview at the Heisman ceremony that ran on WSBT.com, the website for a South Bend TV station, Te'o said: "I mean, I don't like cancer at all. I lost both my grandparents and my girlfriend to cancer. So I've really tried to go to children's hospitals and see, you know, children."

In a column that first ran in The Los Angeles Times, on Dec. 10, Te'o recounted why he played a few days after he found out Kekua died in September, and the day she was supposedly buried.

"She made me promise, when it happened, that I would stay and play," he said Dec. 9 while attending a ceremony in Newport Beach, Calif., for the Lott Impact Awards.


So, you conclude that when he got a phone call, at an awards ceremony, from a dead person... that equates to him knowing she was alive and it was a fraud. I'm not sure what he was thinking at that time, I'm not sure what else he could have said in those interviews "I talk to dead people"? I don't know if he could have possibly assimilated all of that and made choices that would withstand second guessing from any of us.

Did he even know what catfishing was? Why would he instantly assume the relationship from 2009 til then was all a hoax and he should alert the media? He might have thought he was literally losing his mind...he might have panicked and thought his future was finished. He might have been hoping the hoax was the phone call and the rest was all real. Who knows what his next decision would be in that circumstance? Who can judge if it was right or wrong? Talk about never walking in somebody's shoes before...ain't nobody on here can say "this all reminds me of the time the same thing happened to me".

IF it was a hoax on him, IF he was that gullible, then I'm not going to judge his next decision based on my judgment and experience. I doubt I could put myself in the shoes of a 21 year old in a whirlwind of 12-0, Heisman trophy, BCS championship, soon to be millionaire AND my dead girlfriend on the other line...but I'm guessing it wouldn't be balls on accurate.

Should he have called his mom and dad right away? Yes. Should they have called the school sooner? Yes. Are he and his parents experienced in what to do when something like this falls on you during the highest of highs? Doubtful.

None of that assures me that he is innocent, only that there is a chance that a young mormon guy living in Indiana could develop an internet relationship with a young mormon girl far away...and if that girl was a figment of some weirdo's immagination and his intention is to catfish the young man then I can't predict what could/would happen next. It sounds like he tried to meet her on several occasions...the whole point of this catfish nonsense is to agree to meetings and then offer sudden excuses to beg off.

There will be time to conclude if he is a fraud and a liar, you think it was several days ago...I'm reserving final judgment.
 
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Wait, are we talking about T'eo or Armstrong here? I lose track... :)
Um, Lance raised millions of dollars for charities. T'eo visited a couple of childrens hospitals.

99% of cyclers use. 99% of college football players dont make up girlfriends (to this extreme).

Lance also came clean. T'eo hasn't.

You dumb too?
 
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Um, Lance raised millions of dollars for charities. T'eo visited a couple of childrens hospitals.

99% of cyclers use. 99% of college football players dont make up girlfriends (to this extreme).

Lance also came clean. T'eo hasn't.

You dumb too?
I'd say Lance coming clean is an exaggeration. He didn't exactly spill his guts.
 
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Simple question- what do you think SHOULD happen to Te'o?
Mental health counseling....so he dont go off the deep end. Dude already looks like a fool...punishment enough.

You all lie too. All of you. The difference is that you all were sitting on the couch watching the game rather on the field playing the game. Oh, and you didn't get caught.


If you all put this much energy and emotion into holding the government responsible for their continued BS, maybe America wouldn't be the ****bucket that it is. #geewhiz
 
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Yes, I know they lie (so I don't believe them). Just like other news stations. And I don't watch Fox News to begin with. I do, however, know the reputation it has.
awwww, tough guy here cant have a conversation without throwing around red chicklets. crybaby.

go suck some O'Reilly. little beyotch.
 
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Mental health counseling....so he dont go off the deep end. Dude already looks like a fool...punishment enough.

You all lie too. All of you. The difference is that you all were sitting on the couch watching the game rather on the field playing the game. Oh, and you didn't get caught.


If you all put this much energy and emotion into holding the government responsible for their continued BS, maybe America wouldn't be the ****bucket that it is. #geewhiz

don't help him. What does the biggest ranter want to happen to Te'o?

What you suggest is very personal, and matches your posts of "it's not really our deal".
 
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Let's be perfectly honest...if Manti Te'o plays well enough in the NFL, this will all be forgotten rather quickly. It will become classified as another adverse thing he had to overcome, like Roethlisberger being accused of rape, and Ray Lewis as an accessory to murder.
 
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Let's be perfectly honest...if Manti Te'o plays well enough in the NFL, this will all be forgotten rather quickly. It will become classified as another adverse thing he had to overcome, like Roethlisberger being accused of rape, and Ray Lewis as an accessory to murder.

Great point. While the nature of their "issue" is subtantially different, (rape might hit closer to home than catfishing) you are right that at least in sports you can go out and perform your way out of a dark cloud. If he participated in the whole hoax it may actually be harder for people to forgive or forget...it is one weird thing to wrap your head around. But if he is less culpable he should be able to focus on the future and eventually move beyond it. Even that statement he made finished with "I'm focusing on the draft"...I thought that was odd, but to your point it really is the best way to get past the weirdness.
 
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Let's be perfectly honest...if Manti Te'o plays well enough in the NFL, this will all be forgotten rather quickly. It will become classified as another adverse thing he had to overcome, like Roethlisberger being accused of rape, and Ray Lewis as an accessory to murder.

And why do people get so upset? People like to get argumentative, and ESPN still is covering it- but in the end- not much is going to actually happen. Not much can actually happen. Not when football makes so much money, and his skills *should* help someone make money. I even have a hard time putting like Ben or Ray's issues- since those involve actual laws...
 
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Mental health counseling....so he dont go off the deep end. Dude already looks like a fool...punishment enough.

You all lie too. All of you. The difference is that you all were sitting on the couch watching the game rather on the field playing the game. Oh, and you didn't get caught.


If you all put this much energy and emotion into holding the government responsible for their continued BS, maybe America wouldn't be the ****bucket that it is. #geewhiz

Hmmm... yes, we all lie at times for various reasons so we equate it with what is a monolithic lie. I really do hate moral equivalence.
 
Re: 2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

Hmmm... yes, we all lie at times for various reasons so we equate it with what is a monolithic lie. I really do hate moral equivalence.
You got your PhD from UConn, so I'll forgive your ignorance. ;)
 
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Te'o tells ESPN that "I would never have been able to be involved in this." All during an untaped interview taking place late Friday night with a lawyer present...
 
Re: 2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

Let's be perfectly honest...if Manti Te'o plays well enough in the NFL, this will all be forgotten rather quickly. It will become classified as another adverse thing he had to overcome, like Roethlisberger being accused of rape, and Ray Lewis as an accessory to murder.
I think there was a couple of mock drafts that had Te'o going in the top 10. Heck, at this point, I doubt he would slide down all that much. Maybe to the second round, but I see him more of a late first round guy now.
 
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