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2013-2014 Union Dutchmen - Can U Three Peat? (Part II)

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Union Fans: Cole Ikkala Forward Union (N.Y.) is one of the 10 Finalists for the 2014 Senior CLASS Award. Lets crank up the voting !!!!

http://www.seniorclassaward.com/athletes/cole_ikkala/

http://www.seniorclassaward.com/new...ts_announced_for_the_2014_senior_class_award/


Men’s ice hockey finalists announced for the 2014 Senior CLASS Award
February 19, 2014

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. – Ten NCAA® men’s ice hockey student-athletes who excel both on and off the ice were selected as finalists today for the 2013-14 Senior CLASS Award® in collegiate hockey. To be eligible for the award, a student-athlete must be classified as an NCAA Division I senior and have notable achievements in four areas of excellence – community, classroom, character and competition. The complete list of finalists follows this release.

An acronym for Celebrating Loyalty and Achievement for Staying in School ®, the Senior CLASS Award focuses on the total student-athlete and encourages students to use their platform in athletics to make a positive impact as leaders in their communities.

The finalists were chosen by national media from the list of 20 candidates announced in November. Nationwide fan voting begins immediately to help select the winner. Fans are encouraged to vote on the Senior CLASS Award website through March 31. Fan votes will be combined with media and Division I head coaches’ votes to determine the winner. The Senior CLASS Award winner will be announced during the 2014 NCAA Men’s Frozen Final Four® in April.

Hockey 2013-14 Finalists
Name Position School
Sam Brittain Goaltender Denver
Greg Carey Wing St. Lawrence
Scott Czarnowczan Defenseman Ferris State
Kyle Gibbons Forward Canisius
Brock Higgs Forward Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Cole Ikkala Forward Union (N.Y.)
Andy Iles Goaltender Cornell
Dennis Robertson Defense Brown
Ryan Walters Left wing Nebraska Omaha
Matt Zarbo Forward Clarkson

Chance to vote for Cole Ikkala Union (N.Y.)

YOUR VOTE COUNTS! Fan balloting counts for 1/3 of the total with the remaining 2/3 determined by NCAA Division I coaches and national media members. Please see the Selection Process section of the Senior CLASS Award website for more information.

Fans can vote on this page through midnight CT on the final day of voting.

http://www.seniorclassaward.com/vote/hockey_2013-14/
 
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UnionFan4Life said:
While you guys are analyzing penalty minutes, we are analyzing pairwise rankings. ;)
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I, for one, would really like to see some of those 'pairwise analyses'. Judging from the Union posters' level of mathematical understanding on this thread, they should provide a continuing source of amusement.
 
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DeepRed72 said:
I, for one, would really like to see some of those 'pairwise analyses'. Judging from the Union posters' level of mathematical understanding on this thread, they should provide a continuing source of amusement.
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Here's the only analysis that matters:

Union: 3t
RPI: 24t

Enjoy watching us in the tournament again. Maybe 2015 will be the magical year where RPI finally scores another NCAA tournament goal.
 
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Dutchfan said:
Here's the only analysis that matters:

Union: 3t
RPI: 24t

Enjoy watching us in the tournament again. Maybe 2015 will be the magical year where RPI finally scores another NCAA tournament goal.
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And maybe 2014 will be the magical year that Union can hang an NCAA participation banner that also coincides with winning a title instead of implying it through tricky wording?

Hey, while we're firing missiles here ;)
 
ibanezist00 said:
And maybe 2014 will be the magical year that Union can hang an NCAA participation banner that also coincides with winning a title instead of implying it through tricky wording?

Hey, while we're firing missiles here ;)
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I agree that banner is misleading. It should be titled "NCAA tournament appearances" or something of that nature.
 
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Nottme said:
Has RPI won a national championship since Union started playing D1 hockey?
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They're the only fanbase on here that constantly beats their chest over their ancient championships. Yale won the title last year and I haven't seen nearly as much trash talk about rings from them.

You can tell just how badly it bothers them that RPI isn't nationally relevant anymore. Their program has a great history, and you can't ever take that away from them, but they haven't registered anything more than a blip on the national scene over the last 20+ years. Union (and the rest of the ECAC for that matter) have blown past RPI in the last decade and they deserved nothing less after how they got rid of Dan Fridgen. I've never understood why the RPI fanbase almost universally thinks Appert is such a great coach, yet they couldn't wait to run Fridgen out of town. Fridgen looks like Jerry York when you compare his winning percentage and ECAC tournament results to what Appert has "accomplished". That is, if you can call being a whopping 36 games under .500 and flaming out in the playoffs every year an accomplishment.
 
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Nottme said:
Gosh I thought RPI had won several but I looked and there was nothing.
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The near term question is, will RPI have to travel for the first round? They are not a good road team. Their first decent road showing was this past weekend. Overall they are 6-8-1 on the road. Since January 1 they are 2-1-5. I would not see them being picked to beat either Brown or Yale on the road in the final week. That means they are going to have to win at least one against Clarkson or St. Lawrence. St. Lawrence is a very good road team. They are 3-1-1 since January 1 and 7-6-3 on the road for the year.

If RPI just wins 1 this weekend and gets handled by Yale and Brown, then there is a real possibility they may be on the road in the first round. That would be something. You are picked to win it all at the start of the season and you end up packing your bags for the first round. :eek: Plus, you are no so good on the road. :(

I don't think it will happen. But even if they get home ice, it wouldn't be easily, whoever it is. Harvard? Brown? Princeton? Dartmouth? Plus you have the "choke factor" working against them. Even the mere mention of "Tournament" has caused them to fold in the past. We will have to see. A win Friday night will take the pressure off of them. If they lose to St. Lawrence ... they are toast. I would see the possibility of them losing out and dropping the first two on the road to end the season. A complete failure.

However, this is ECAC Hockey and anything can happen.
 
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Dutchfan said:
They're the only fanbase on here that constantly beats their chest over their ancient championships. Yale won the title last year and I haven't seen nearly as much trash talk about rings from them.

You can tell just how badly it bothers them that RPI isn't nationally relevant anymore. Their program has a great history, and you can't ever take that away from them, but they haven't registered anything more than a blip on the national scene over the last 20+ years.
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I'm pretty confident Union fans started beating their chest after one Frozen Four appearance and having a string of good seasons brought on by both good talent onboarded by Leaman and good coaching direction from him and Bennett. Yes, they've been great accomplishments and as an ECAC fan on the whole I am proud of Union for helping to lead the way in making our conference nationally relevant again, but let's not pretend the Union fanbase doesn't have their uninformed chest-beaters. Heck, there was one who claimed he had no idea who Ned Harkness or Adam Oates were. There are RPI fans like myself who are really indifferent about Appert (and I wasn't as active a fan during the Fridgen era) -- I neither love nor hate the guy because I 1) refuse to put all the blame for lack of success and accomplishment at a higher level entirely on the coaching and staff alone 2) refuse to be an armchair coach all the time (I don't know half of what goes on in terms of inter-team interactions) 3) He is good at some things and bad at others -- the man could sell ice to an eskimo in terms of recruiting talent but he struggles to make that talent cohesively work together sometimes. Believe it or not, a lot of RPI fans I know feel the same way -- that he's not exactly the best head coach on the planet but even if we wanted to replace him where would we find someone willing to take the job? There are plenty of other faults I see in the RPI team -- lack of discipline like Union fans claim (though not to the same extent at all), special teams issues, etc.

As for the Yale quip, the reason you don't hear trash talk from them is (this is not directed at you but more of a general statement) because they don't have many members of their fanbase who are both louder than the more reasonable ones of the group and say really strange things with an attitude as though their team has been relevant nationally at the D-I level for 20 years or more. A shining example of such is the fracas from the mayor's cup game and the fallout resulting from it: we had SCSU, MN, UND, Cornell, Clarkson, and Ferris State fans all wondering how Union fans could even begin to think that the blame for the fracas could be split 50/50 or even more in Union's favor (I am not trying to re-incite this debate here, I am just trying to provide an example.)

TL;DR maybe some of the RPI fan frustration comes from our recent struggles, but some of it comes from the uninformed/ridiculous Union fans (like the one who called RPI's team 'classless' because they didn't shake hands after the game at Union this season, and the one who called me a 'little bi****' for being an RPI fan who did nothing but cheer for my team the whole game, or the Union fan who flipped off RPI players after the second goal in the Mayor's Cup game which I have never seen an RPI fan do personally to another team, ever... I could continue). Thanks for reading my admittedly rambling essay, lol, and I hope it clears things up, from one honest fan to another just trying to explain where some of this comes from.

EDIT: we're not the only fanbase on here that brings up past championships as a selling point, either. Neither MN nor UND have won one in a while and they still argue over it.
 
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ibanezist00 said:
I'm pretty confident Union fans started beating their chest after one Frozen Four appearance and having a string of good seasons brought on by both good talent onboarded by Leaman and good coaching direction from him and Bennett. Yes, they've been great accomplishments and as an ECAC fan on the whole I am proud of Union for helping to lead the way in making our conference nationally relevant again, but let's not pretend the Union fanbase doesn't have their uninformed chest-beaters. Heck, there was one who claimed he had no idea who Ned Harkness or Adam Oates were.

TL;DR maybe some of the RPI fan frustration comes from our recent struggles, but some of it comes from the uninformed/ridiculous Union fans (like the one who called RPI's team 'classless' because they didn't shake hands after the game at Union this season, and the one who called me a 'little bi****' for being an RPI fan who did nothing but cheer for my team the whole game, or the Union fan who flipped off RPI players after the second goal in the Mayor's Cup game which I have never seen an RPI fan do personally to another team, ever... I could continue). Thanks for reading my admittedly rambling essay, lol, and I hope it clears things up, from one honest fan to another just trying to explain where some of this comes from.
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There are idiots in all fanbases, I was downright embarrassed that the Oates and Harkness comments came from someone that roots for Union. Those were possibly the dumbest things I've seen posted on USCHO since the thread that brought us "Brom" and "Ylae" was posted roughly 10 years ago.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I agree that Ken handled the incidents which occurred in the last RPI-Union game in an unbiased, professional manner. He is, however, a homer when it comes to the Flyers and Phillies. :D

I am thankful though that the Record continues to publish.
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No argument here. I have had a few interesting chats with Ken given that I am a NY Rangers fan and I love to abuse teams in the NFC Least ;) I have a friend who works for the Record and I too am glad that they still draw a paycheck. Every time I mention Ed to them, they kind of sigh and roll their eyes a lot... ;)
 
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uniontrack said:
No argument here. I have had a few interesting chats with Ken given that I am a NY Rangers fan and I love to abuse teams in the NFC Least ;) I have a friend who works for the Record and I too am glad that they still draw a paycheck. Every time I mention Ed to them, they kind of sigh and roll their eyes a lot... ;)
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We may have the same friend in the Record...
 
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Dutchfan said:
They're the only fanbase on here that constantly beats their chest over their ancient championships. Yale won the title last year and I haven't seen nearly as much trash talk about rings from them.

Union (and the rest of the ECAC for that matter) have blown past RPI in the last decade and they deserved nothing less after how they got rid of Dan Fridgen. I've never understood why the RPI fanbase almost universally thinks Appert is such a great coach, yet they couldn't wait to run Fridgen out of town. Fridgen looks like Jerry York when you compare his winning percentage and ECAC tournament results to what Appert has "accomplished". That is, if you can call being a whopping 36 games under .500 and flaming out in the playoffs every year an accomplishment.
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Dutchfan - Can you fill me in a little on the history. Below is a listing of the top all time College Coaches based on their records and based on winning percentage. The active coaches are in CAPS. I have mapped into the list Bennett and Appert. Note that the numbers, for all 100 coaches, except for Bennett and Appert, do not include this year. For Bennett and Appert, they do include this years results.

Here is what I don't understand.

You mentioned Fridgen. He is down here as one of the Top 100. Appert is way off the charts and does not come anywhere near the list. By the way, I have mapped where Bennet would be today. He would be tied for third but only has 68 wins thus far. Impressive start to his head coaching career.

My question then: Why did RPI got rid of A WINNER FOR A LOSER?

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/almanac/coach-alltime.php?sort=wpct

All-Time Coaching Records
Records are for Division I only.
(Active coaches in CAPS. Records do not include season in progress.)
Sorting by: by Win Percentage (min. 100 wins).
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/almanac/coach-alltime.php?sort=wpct

1 Harkness, Ned 339 123 9 .729
2 Harrison, Bill 127 47 6 .722
? RICK BENNETT 68 27 17 .716
3 Kelley, Jack 208 80 8 .716
4 Mason, Ron 924 380 83 .696
5 Armstrong, Larry 123 53 10 .688
6 Heyliger, Vic 352 157 19 .685
7 O'Flaherty, Bill 134 59 12 .683
8 Armstrong, Murray 463 215 31 .675
9 JACKSON, JEFF 367 162 58 .675
10 Kelley, John "Snooks" 501 245 15 .668
11 Thompson, Cheddy 150 73 6 .668
12 Woog, Doug 390 188 40 .663
13 BERENSON, RED 770 371 80 .663
14 Ceglarski, Len 672 339 37 .659
15 Morris, Mark 306 156 42 .649
16 HAKSTOL, DAVE 235 119 37 .648
17 MacInnes, John 555 295 39 .646
18 Parker, Jack 897 472 115 .643
19 Weiland, Ralph 316 172 17 .643
20 Walsh, Shawn 399 215 44 .640
21 UMILE, DICK 519 276 94 .637
22 BLAIS, DEAN 336 183 49 .635
23 Johnson, Bob 394 224 27 .632
24 LUCIA, DON 595 343 84 .623
25 SCHAFER, MIKE 347 198 66 .622
26 Brooks, Herb 167 98 18 .622
27 Roos, Jack 128 77 7 .620
28 Kollevoll, Olav 151 92 4 .619
29 Cleary, Bill 325 200 22 .614
30 YORK, JERRY 935 569 98 .614
31 Bertrand, Dick 286 177 18 .613
32 ALLAIN, KEITH 138 84 19 .612
33 Gasparini, John "Gino" 392 248 25 .608
34 BLASI, ENRICO 311 196 53 .603
35 Addesa, Mike 236 155 9 .601
36 OWENS, SCOTT 317 204 48 .599
37 Riley, Jack 311 208 12 .597
38 Holt, Charlie 347 232 18 .596
39 PECKNOLD, RAND 292 190 56 .595
40 Menard, George 204 137 14 .594
41 Cleverly, Harry 211 144 10 .592
42 Gwozdecky, George 526 361 83 .585
43 Mariucci, John 197 138 18 .584
44 Lamoriello, Lou 248 179 13 .578
45 Slater, Terry 263 190 23 .577
46 Selman, Bill 268 198 19 .572
47 WILSON, WAYNE 152 111 32 .569
48 EAVES, MIKE 231 169 51 .569
49 MOTZKO, BOB 162 125 35 .557
50 Comley, Rick 783 615 110 .556
51 Buetow, Brad 296 235 20 .555
52 Jeremiah, Edward 308 247 12 .554
53 Christiansen, Brush 303 241 33 .554
54 Kane, Bill 125 102 2 .550
55 Sauer, Jeff 655 532 57 .549
56 Whitehead, Tim 326 264 65 .547
57 Tomassoni, Ronn 140 115 26 .544
58 BURKHOLDER, DAVE 214 175 50 .544
59 GOTKIN, RICK 243 203 46 .541
60 Marsh, Joe 468 399 72 .537
61 Murdoch, Murray 271 234 20 .535
62 Van Buskirk, Peter 167 146 8 .533
63 McShane, Mike 244 218 31 .526
64 KYLE, WALT 208 186 49 .525
65 Ross, Doug 219 199 31 .522
66 Salfi, Jim 103 94 7 .522
67 Dahl, Craig 338 309 52 .521
68 Turner, William 128 118 4 .520
69 Anzalone, Frank 223 205 41 .519
70 Fridgen, Dan 210 194 38 .518
71 Powers, Buddy 229 212 39 .518
72 SERRATORE, TOM 201 186 49 .517
73 Mazzoleni, Mark 167 155 33 .517
74 Anderson, Ron 242 230 24 .512
75 Fullerton, James 176 168 9 .511
76 Farrell, Dan 135 129 6 .511
77 Backstrom, Ralph 182 174 14 .511
78 Markell, John 280 267 56 .511
79 LEAMAN, NATE 169 161 46 .511
80 PEARL, PAUL 282 272 66 .508
81 McCutcheon, Brian 108 105 21 .506
82 MacDonald, Blaise 241 236 59 .505
83 SANDELIN, SCOTT 231 229 63 .502
84 Renfrew, Al 288 286 13 .502
85 VAUGHAN, DON 328 331 75 .498
86 Pooley, Paul 185 187 40 .498
87 Cady, Steve 122 126 11 .492
88 Gilligan, Mike 291 302 47 .491
89 Bjorkman, Rube 224 234 11 .489
90 Kemp, Mike 171 181 54 .488
91 Sertich, Mike 375 397 53 .487
92 Hannah, Shaun 191 204 38 .485
93 Wilkinson, Bill 437 469 81 .484
94 DANIELS, BOB 350 378 84 .483
95 Cronin, Greg 108 117 31 .482
96 Roll, George 130 142 33 .480
97 Lowrey, Ed 124 136 21 .479
98 DONATO, TED 126 139 35 .478
99 SERRATORE, FRANK 321 355 67 .477
100 Smith, Lefty
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? SETH APPERT 112 148 36 .431
 
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