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Not my side's problem.
I've got really bad news for you.
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2012 Presidential Election - The Day after the Aftermath...
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Ah no.... Life aint fair, deal with it - means quit whining about your lot and make the most of it. You ain't getting anywhere crying how that guys dad was rich and stole your opportunities.
We are not all equal. I'm a pretty man and poor rover is ugly. But does he whine? No, he makes the most of what he has
Half of the crap in here this week has been about crazy ****ers. Do we all act crazy now so they feel equal?
Y'all live in a dream world dammit
. ACT LIKE A MAN!!!FlagDUDE08
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As I read what BassAle typed, I was beginning to think the exact same thing.
Somewhere in there you started proving your opponent's point. Minus seven points.
As I read what BassAle typed, I was beginning to think the exact same thing.
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Somehow I'm not surprised that you've never heard of the rest of this maxim: "There are _______ to every rule." Class, does anyone want to help Rover out?
Geezer no offense but I wouldn't believe a lecture from you on whether rain is wet or not, let alone something of actual substance.
Somehow I'm not surprised that you've never heard of the rest of this maxim: "There are _______ to every rule." Class, does anyone want to help Rover out?
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
They can play they offered to up the tax and millionaires and BHO didn't offer a stick back to trade. Not sure they are smart enough to voice thatPersonally I like this turn of events. While some may feel sympathy with The Boner, I don't. If you dance with the devil, don't complain if you get burned. Problem is GOP lunatics only know how to say no. When saying no means playing in the Dems hands, they still can't adjust. I'm not sure why the true statement of: Either you raise taxes on wealthy people or everybody's taxes go up isn't penetrating their thick skulls, but whatever. Not my side's problem.
ScoobyDoo
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Unfortunately for you I'm not persuaded because I figured out that life isn't fair a long long long time ago. Just because I know it isn't fair doesn't mean that I don't think certain things should be. And when you sit there reading this and don't believe that I know that life isn't fair let me assure you I do. I have very good reasons for understanding this concept.
Ah no.... Life aint fair, deal with it - means quit whining about your lot and make the most of it. You ain't getting anywhere crying how that guys dad was rich and stole your opportunities.
We are not all equal. I'm a pretty man and poor rover is ugly. But does he whine? No, he makes the most of what he has
Half of the crap in here this week has been about crazy ****ers. Do we all act crazy now so they feel equal?
Y'all live in a dream world dammit
Unfortunately for you I'm not persuaded because I figured out that life isn't fair a long long long time ago. Just because I know it isn't fair doesn't mean that I don't think certain things should be. And when you sit there reading this and don't believe that I know that life isn't fair let me assure you I do. I have very good reasons for understanding this concept.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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Good. Then "fair" doesn't exist.
Good. Then "fair" doesn't exist.
FlagDUDE08
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BHO has nothing to lose. He's already been elected, and he doesn't have to face the music any longer. He can raise taxes on everyone at this point and get away with it. This is what I have been trying to warn people about ever since we started this whole election debacle. Even if the GOP were to take Obama's bone, I wouldn't be surprised if he vetoed it.
BHO has nothing to lose. He's already been elected, and he doesn't have to face the music any longer. He can raise taxes on everyone at this point and get away with it. This is what I have been trying to warn people about ever since we started this whole election debacle. Even if the GOP were to take Obama's bone, I wouldn't be surprised if he vetoed it.
FlagDUDE08
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Then why are you calling for rich people to "pay their fair share"?
Then why are you calling for rich people to "pay their fair share"?
ScoobyDoo
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Not what I was calling for in the slightest.
Then why are you calling for rich people to "pay their fair share"?
Not what I was calling for in the slightest.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
ScoobyDoo
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The argument there was labor vs. capital.
Just mittens
The argument there was labor vs. capital.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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If I have kids, the cleaned-up version of this is their bedtime reading and the first thing they recite to me when they get out of bed in the morning.
You'll enjoy this. (NSFW text)
If I have kids, the cleaned-up version of this is their bedtime reading and the first thing they recite to me when they get out of bed in the morning.
The Exiled One
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How would we know if a person will be able to "bring something to the table" if they die of untreated tuberculosis or cancer first? So first, I'm advocating for universal healthcare. You may argue that we have than now, but instead of debating you on that point, I'll just request that we at least don't move backwards.
Second, I'd also argue that even a genius will never be able to seek out any opportunities if they don't have the access to educate themselves. This can be restricted in many societal ways, but I think at the very least, we should provide for a strong public education. You may argue that we have than now, but instead of debating you on that point, I'll just request that we at least don't move backwards.
We do a better job at providing general education in this country than we do at practical education. So, I'm advocating for FREE public college education for anybody who can get in.
Why is this opportunity redistribution and not wealth distribution? I'm glad you asked The simple answer is that you're not redistributing tangible assets. You can't sell your degree or your chemotherapy treatments to anybody else. There is no value to these other than they give you more opportunity to do what you want with your life. Therefore, these do not fall in the same category as medicaid, welfare, or food stamps.
Of course, the things above cost money. We can argue plenty about where that money comes from. One conservative argument I concur with is that taking money from somebody to pay for the opportunity growth of others diminishes the opportunity of the person who gave the money. But then again, though "opportunity" isn't a zero sum game, neither is it an unlimited resource, hence the need to "spread it around." However, there's one group of people who do can give up ALL of their money without diminishing their opportunity at all... dead people. You can't take opportunity with you into the afterlife, you've got to use it up here.
As for our differences of opinion, I think that has a lot to do with our upbringing and personal circumstances... which I can respect. Even mookie1995's "Life aint fair. Deal with it" sentiment can me chalked up to a high "Power Distance" tolerance. It's no different than the way a Venezuelan or a Saudi Arabian might think. As for my line of thinking, I'm probably more similar to an Austrian or Israeli line of thinking. Ultimately, the lines of thinking balance out and is reflected in our legislation. That's why the U.S. is, globally, towards the middle in social mobility.
Still though, I'm not complaining for myself. I'm doing fine. I acknowledge that I didn't do it myself either. Not that my parents paid for my college or anything, but they gave me a stable home, encouragement, health insurance, a nice neighborhood with decent public schools, and occasional help with my homework. I'd say I was dealt a 9-8 suited. It's not a premium hand, but it's something to work with. I just think there's a lot of people with 7-2 offsuit out there that have the potential for greatness. It doesn't help our country if the chip leaders raise them all-in every hand.
Fair enough, here goes:
How would we know if a person will be able to "bring something to the table" if they die of untreated tuberculosis or cancer first? So first, I'm advocating for universal healthcare. You may argue that we have than now, but instead of debating you on that point, I'll just request that we at least don't move backwards.
Second, I'd also argue that even a genius will never be able to seek out any opportunities if they don't have the access to educate themselves. This can be restricted in many societal ways, but I think at the very least, we should provide for a strong public education. You may argue that we have than now, but instead of debating you on that point, I'll just request that we at least don't move backwards.
We do a better job at providing general education in this country than we do at practical education. So, I'm advocating for FREE public college education for anybody who can get in.
Why is this opportunity redistribution and not wealth distribution? I'm glad you asked
The simple answer is that you're not redistributing tangible assets. You can't sell your degree or your chemotherapy treatments to anybody else. There is no value to these other than they give you more opportunity to do what you want with your life. Therefore, these do not fall in the same category as medicaid, welfare, or food stamps.Of course, the things above cost money. We can argue plenty about where that money comes from. One conservative argument I concur with is that taking money from somebody to pay for the opportunity growth of others diminishes the opportunity of the person who gave the money. But then again, though "opportunity" isn't a zero sum game, neither is it an unlimited resource, hence the need to "spread it around." However, there's one group of people who do can give up ALL of their money without diminishing their opportunity at all... dead people. You can't take opportunity with you into the afterlife, you've got to use it up here.
As for our differences of opinion, I think that has a lot to do with our upbringing and personal circumstances... which I can respect. Even mookie1995's "Life aint fair. Deal with it" sentiment can me chalked up to a high "Power Distance" tolerance. It's no different than the way a Venezuelan or a Saudi Arabian might think. As for my line of thinking, I'm probably more similar to an Austrian or Israeli line of thinking. Ultimately, the lines of thinking balance out and is reflected in our legislation. That's why the U.S. is, globally, towards the middle in social mobility.
Still though, I'm not complaining for myself. I'm doing fine. I acknowledge that I didn't do it myself either. Not that my parents paid for my college or anything, but they gave me a stable home, encouragement, health insurance, a nice neighborhood with decent public schools, and occasional help with my homework. I'd say I was dealt a 9-8 suited. It's not a premium hand, but it's something to work with. I just think there's a lot of people with 7-2 offsuit out there that have the potential for greatness. It doesn't help our country if the chip leaders raise them all-in every hand.
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FlagDUDE08
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9-8 suited (or is it 8-7 suited?) actually has slightly better pre-flop odds than "that" because of the straight/flush possibilities.
You could say the same thing about someone being run over by a truck, or even worse, being involved in an assassination similar to what we saw last week. We can argue the whole health care thing at some other point; I see it as an irrelevant tangent. As for public education, if you want to do that, that's cool, and we can start to work on it. Just remember that the teachers are just as accountable (after all that's what makes a strong education), and we should look towards merit pay and elimination of tenure.
Once again, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Someone is still paying for it. Instead of just a blanket education at the expense of the taxpayers, though, I would rather see scholarships provided to those that wish to study subjects that are either critical to the success of the country at the time, or provide the government a return on the money invested (through that person paying a higher aggregate amount in taxes, of course). We don't need to be shelling out a hundred grand to a history major, because we'll never see it back. I'm sure we'll have differences of opinion because of the "evil P word", but at this point, if you're going to be shelling out money for all of these government projects, you need a way to pay for it. Why not do that by broadening the tax base, which we saw in 2004-2007, works? i know I've used the analogy of watermelons and grapes here before, but I'll revise it a little bit: Which would you rather have, a couple of watermelons, or a vineyard full of grapes? Let's assume, for the sake of the analogy, that you like watermelon and grapes equally.
I'm not understanding your metaphor regarding other countries. However, mookie1995 has a point behind what he's saying, although I believe the interpretation may be misguided. Dealing with something does not mean accepting what is in the present. Let's put it this way: Say after a couple bad games, the coach benches you. Accepting that would mean that you weren't going to try harder, and instead have a "woe is me" attitude about the situation. Dealing with it would be where you would use practice to improve your play and get yourself to a situation where you have once again earned your ice time during a game.
To think that someone does this alone is insane. Every opportunity these days involves someone else, aside from maybe digging for something the earth has (whether it be gold, oil, truffles, etc.). I apologise if this implication was not very explicit. I have no qualms about spreading knowledge of opportunities, but at the same time, I believe we need to make sure that the opportunities provided are beneficial to all parties involved in that contract.
9-8 suited (or is it 8-7 suited?) actually has slightly better pre-flop odds than "that" because of the straight/flush possibilities.
You could say the same thing about someone being run over by a truck, or even worse, being involved in an assassination similar to what we saw last week. We can argue the whole health care thing at some other point; I see it as an irrelevant tangent. As for public education, if you want to do that, that's cool, and we can start to work on it. Just remember that the teachers are just as accountable (after all that's what makes a strong education), and we should look towards merit pay and elimination of tenure.
We do a better job at providing general education in this country than we do at practical education. So, I'm advocating for FREE public college education for anybody who can get in.
Why is this opportunity redistribution and not wealth distribution? I'm glad you asked
Once again, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Someone is still paying for it. Instead of just a blanket education at the expense of the taxpayers, though, I would rather see scholarships provided to those that wish to study subjects that are either critical to the success of the country at the time, or provide the government a return on the money invested (through that person paying a higher aggregate amount in taxes, of course). We don't need to be shelling out a hundred grand to a history major, because we'll never see it back. I'm sure we'll have differences of opinion because of the "evil P word", but at this point, if you're going to be shelling out money for all of these government projects, you need a way to pay for it. Why not do that by broadening the tax base, which we saw in 2004-2007, works? i know I've used the analogy of watermelons and grapes here before, but I'll revise it a little bit: Which would you rather have, a couple of watermelons, or a vineyard full of grapes? Let's assume, for the sake of the analogy, that you like watermelon and grapes equally.
I'm not understanding your metaphor regarding other countries. However, mookie1995 has a point behind what he's saying, although I believe the interpretation may be misguided. Dealing with something does not mean accepting what is in the present. Let's put it this way: Say after a couple bad games, the coach benches you. Accepting that would mean that you weren't going to try harder, and instead have a "woe is me" attitude about the situation. Dealing with it would be where you would use practice to improve your play and get yourself to a situation where you have once again earned your ice time during a game.
To think that someone does this alone is insane. Every opportunity these days involves someone else, aside from maybe digging for something the earth has (whether it be gold, oil, truffles, etc.). I apologise if this implication was not very explicit. I have no qualms about spreading knowledge of opportunities, but at the same time, I believe we need to make sure that the opportunities provided are beneficial to all parties involved in that contract.
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How so? Both of my parents were college educated teachers. They made sure i had a good education, paid for my college, and made sure I had opportunities. More opportunity than many poor kids did. If my parents were rich I would have had more opportunity. I'm not "blaming" the rich for being middle class. I'm just not stupid enough to think the single thing that determines someone's success is hard work. As someone mentioned the #1 indicator of whether or not you will be wealthy as an adult is whether you were born rich or not.Somewhere in there you started proving your opponent's point. Minus seven points.
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used to be you could at least rely on Republicans for some smart campaign tactics even if their policies were evil. They can't even get that right now.
To your other comment, GFY mookie.
geezer, its a little too early in the morning for you to be hitting the moonshine. Even Homer Simpson doesn't go to Moe's before noon so Marge won't be on his case for having a drinking problem.
FlagDUDE08
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I think you're missing the point that's being made regarding opportunity. We're not talking about educational opportunities.
I think you're missing the point that's being made regarding opportunity. We're not talking about educational opportunities.
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What is wrong with you that you obsess about "sides"? are you a professional political consultant? otherwise, who cares about "sides" winning this "point"?
Any deal on taxes that did not also include some kind of spending concession would be worse than having automatic spending cuts kick in.
I hope you personally become subject to the AMT this year so you can see how much fun it is for your "side" to win while the country loses.
I've got an idea; you give me everything I ask for while you get nothing whatsoever in return and we'll call it a "compromise." How's that?
Not my side's problem.
What is wrong with you that you obsess about "sides"? are you a professional political consultant? otherwise, who cares about "sides" winning this "point"?
Any deal on taxes that did not also include some kind of spending concession would be worse than having automatic spending cuts kick in.
I hope you personally become subject to the AMT this year so you can see how much fun it is for your "side" to win while the country loses.
I've got an idea; you give me everything I ask for while you get nothing whatsoever in return and we'll call it a "compromise." How's that?
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